HOW DO YOU PLAY THIS ORNAMENT/GRACE NOTE?????

Hi all,

I have found this version of Finbar Fureys Lonesome boatman, it has these ornaments throughout, in the first pic the C note is a C sharp it is then followed by the little joined note symbol which is also a C sharp joined to a high D and then back to C sharp, in the second pic the main note is a high E followed by the same small joined note symbol, which starts with a high E then a high F sharp then back to high E, my question is how do you sound the first part of the ornament if your playing a C sharp or high E and the ornament starts with the same note your playing, or am I reading it all the wrong???.

Thanks sponge


In the second picture the main quavers have stacato dots above them, as soon as you sound them you should stop them. Then there’s a quaver rest before starting the next double cut.

It just looks like a bad way to denote a cut. For the C#, a cut is tricky…
(again, this is a reason to play this tune on an A whistle, since that
would make the C# cut easier). I leave the bottom fingers of my right
hand covering the holes, and play the first C# like that, then quickly
tap my left hand fingers on their holes, as if I were playing a quick
high D, dropping back down to the C#. But, it shouldn’t sound like
you’re actually playing a D, it should be more percussive.
See Brother Steve’s page on cuts:

http://www.rogermillington.com/siamsa/brosteve/cuts.html

I really wouldn’t rely on notation for the Lonesome Boatman. That said the ornament is a double cut, and you play it by first sounding the note, and then playing a cut, a short blip.

On the high e it’s easy:

xxx xxo e
xxx oxo blip
xxx xxo

you can also play the blip differently, e.g.: xxx xoo or xxo xx for different sound.

on the c-sharp, here is how you can do it:

ooo xxx c-sharp
oxx xxx blip
ooo xxx c-sharp (or ooo oox or ooo ooo)

It’s also known as a casadh

I don’t think the OP was asking how to play the double cut, he was asking how to start a double cut if you’re coming from the same note that the double cut starts on.

Oh. Thanks.

You tongue the first note of the double cut.

Thanks again all,

now it makes sense, I further confused myself when purchasing Grey Larsens very hefty whistle and flute book, as grey uses another set of symbols to create taps,cut,rolls etc, but now I know what its called and how its played I can get on with it.

so a BIG THANKYOU :smiley: :smiley:

Sponge