GUIDELINES ON AVOIDING OBJECTIONABLE POSTS

I’ve been asked to clarify my policies, if you will, regarding inappropriate messages on the Chiff & Fipple boards. Specifically, there are two categories in question–abusive attack messages and commercial messages. Let me begin by saying that I remain proud of the fact that these are rather active and busy boards and there are remarkably few problems in either area.

Let me also say that on those rare occasions I’ve had to step in and delete a message, someone often cites free speech concerns. I’m all for free speech. But, these message boards are not public property and it isn’t a place where total freedom of self-expression exists. . I think that a better analogy is that this is a social gathering in one’s home and the home owner and host reserves the right to turn away solicitors at the door and also to require a rude guest to leave.

First, regarding “abusive” or “attack” messages or flames. The balance here is, of course, between allowing people to interact freely, on the one hand, and being personal and abusive in their attacks. I have erred more than once in both directions: Deleting a message which probably should have been left up and allowing messages that made me uncomfortable 'remain. I make this suggestion: Anytime you are moved to be negative or critical of someone, or you have a problem with someone, try to deal with it first in private email or other private communication. If you can’t resolve it, I’m willing to try to mediate. In public messages, DO NOT, please, use abusive language and name-calling. Avoid categorical language such as “you never”, “you always,” etc.

Regarding use of the board to promote one’s commercial interests. This is not as straightforward as it may appear. A poster who frequently promotes his or her own business, criticizes or discourages competitor’s businesses, offers special deals, and so on, is stepping over the line. On the other hand, I don’t want to discourage private individuals from selling whistles to each other. If someone wants to sell a Copeland, there’s no better forum for making that known and I regard that kind of thing as a good service. I also don’t particularly object to a business owner using the forum to announce a new product, for example. This is also more likely to be a welcome when the business owner balances the occasional “advertisement” with lots of other messages that are helpful and entirely noncommercial. In other words, when the person has proven himself or herself to be a good contributor to the community. If, on the other hand, the majority of the person’s posts include a pitch for business, this is unwelcome and will be deleted. Again, I would encourage people to use me in this regard. If you want to post something about your business, and you are unclear if it would be welcome, run it by me. I might well post a message myself that says something like “Hey, guess what, Billy Ray Johnson over at WhistleWorld is carrying Acme whistles now.” That will be better received by readers than a message directly posted by the vendor.

I hope this helps. Thanks to everyone for maintaining a (generally) civil and helpful forum.

Dale Wisely

Regarding messages promoting commercial interests.

I think many of the members of the list, especially new members, will at some time or another have a question about where to get a particular whistle or whistle CD. Most of us have enabled access to our e-mail address in our profile. It seems to me that if I post a question about how or where to find a particular product, whistle or CD, the various commercial vendors on the list might go to my profile, find my e-mail, and send me a personal message. This in fact has already happened.

I have also noticed that there is also a “private message” feature on the list. This might be used also.

Just one question Dale, if someone does ask a question of this nature, is it appropriate for me, a non-vendor, to post a reply saying to look up so and so at such and such a web site?

Blaine

Blaine, yes I think it is absolutely appropriate for you to post information on vendors with whom you have had positive dealings.

:slight_smile: Jessie

Maybe we could add a ‘Classifieds’ forum? Sometimes commercial messages are welcome, but if they had their own section, they would be easy to ignore.

Now- who can tell me where I can get an Acme whistle? :wink:

On 2001-07-15 20:22, LittleMy wrote:
Maybe we could add a ‘Classifieds’ forum? Sometimes commercial messages are welcome, but if they had their own section, they would be easy to ignore.

I’ll second the motion… I couldn’t agree with you more.
How about it Dale and Rich?

I’m really only looking to discourage the most obvious and exploitive use of the board and, frankly, I think that’s been rare as hens teeth.

A Classified section is not a bad idea. Let’s think about it.

Dale

Chunking versus clumping. I always think I’m a chunker and do my best to put everything in tidy, orderly piles. But they have a way of undoing me every time. :slight_smile:

I think something of the vibrancy of a community is lost when categories of activity get siphoned off.

FE

I’m not a big fan of increasingly specific forums just for the sake of increasingly specific forums, myself. What I’d like to see is where that people representing companies refrain from posts that are entirely ads, and from followups to threads which basically only say “I sell the thing you’re talking about”. That’s just my opinion as a single user, and not as the Hardware Guy.

(If anything, that avoids the situation where a particularly relevant post – an exchange like “Where can I buy a flute to start on” followed by “I’ve got a decent Sweetheart in Rosewood for sale” gets followed up with complaints that an ad was posted outside the classifieds forum.)

    -Rich

Yeah…I would prefer NOT to have a separate classifieds forum.

:slight_smile: Jessie

The forum already has a function that’s superior to a classified area. A quick click on the little house with the green door opens a panorama not possible in an ad that quickly gets lost amongst all the new messages. Thanks Dale, Rich and any others who had a hand in the design of this great message board.

Oh, I thought this topic was going to be about recorders.

Scott T.

Even though it appears that today I am the biggest offender, I too would rather not see a separate forum for many of the same reasons that others have pointed out. A shot gun from 200 yards might as well be a pea shooter (What can I say, I’m from the midwest :wink:

I think that Rich’s thoughts above are right on. I don’t mind seeing sellers answering direct questions, but much else is intrusive. If we limit things too much, though, then we aren’t going to hear from folks that we would really like to hear from. In fact, I know that there are some discussions that most of the sellers and makers avoid just to avoid the appearance of bias and advertising. Just my thoughts.

Peace,
Erik



[ This Message was edited by: ErikT on 2001-07-16 14:12 ]

Ok, I’m convinced. Let’s not do a classified section.

Dale

Acme whistle… isn’t that the brand that Wiley Coyote used to try to lure the Roadrunner into a trap…

An excellent policy statement fit to stick.

I’m enjoying your new hobby, Talasiga. :slight_smile:

I think Chiff has become a dangerous place for some: I have been trashed twice on this board (one person named me and one didn’t–does it really matter?) and it hurt. I apologized both times.
But it also hurts to see others smeared.
In my opinion, what chases people off this board is not disagreement but when people take disagreements personally–and threads get angry. Angry replies hurt EVERYBODY.
Let’s face it, there aren’t millions of whistlers out there. We can’t afford to be chasing people off. We need each other!

In spite of the odd argument, C&F remains the friendliest, most informative forum on the web. It doesn’t hurt to occasionally remind ourselves why this is so. Thanks for the reminder and a wonderful forum, Dale.