Good and bad

It is a year already since the day I started playing music. First it was recorder, now it is tinwhistle. I’m not too advanced, but not too bad (it was like that</a](http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=L2pSBKClc-I">that</a)> two months ago). I practice every day, as any musician should.

And I feel I’m doing something terribly wrong.


Music is supposed to bring people some emotions - sad or happy, gloomy or lively, whatever. That’s the reason for it to exist.

The only emotions I bring people with my whistling are irritation, anger and headache. I bring them to my parents, my brother and to the 1-2 dozens of neighbors in apartments nearby. Every day.

The only person who has some other emotions is me myself - and maybe some occasional listeners in the streets, who don’t have to listen me practicing every day. But I’m one person, and all that people who hate my whistle are two dozen persons. Two dozen is 20 times more than one.


There’s something terribly wrong about the fact that my music gives only that sort of result. And I don’t know what to do about it.

And that stinks.

You’re right, that does stink. I think we have all experienced that. Sometimes I feel sorry for my wife–everyone else gets to hear the finished product, but she has to listen to me every step of the way.

I suspect there are several difficulties here:

Problem 1: you’re a beginner. You can hear in your mind how it’s supposed to sound, and that makes you happy, as it should. Your listeners hear all the mistakes and such, and it doesn’t make them happy.

Problem 2: The whistle is a high pitched, rather shrill instrument, which makes problem 1 worse.

Some simple suggestions to possibly make it better:

  1. Find a place to practice where no one can listen to you. Then you can make all your mistakes during practice, get better, and when you perform people will enjoy your playing more.

  2. If you can, get a quiet whistle such as a Hoover. I don’t know if Mack ships to Russia, so this might not be an option.

  3. You can practice fingerings by resting your whistle on your bottom lip and blowing over the top of the whistle instead of into it. This lets you still hear the notes and ornamentations, but it is very, very quiet. The weakness of this method of practice is that you can’t really practice breath control. But it is better than quitting.

I hope you can find a way to keep playing. I know a lot of us understand what you’re going through.

Tom

I am very new at this breqwas, but I would say play for yourself and dont worry about the rest.

Well, first of all, if the only people that are irritated are the ones who hear the practicing, can you really blame them? I’ll be the first to admit that listening to anyone learn a tune or practice scales gets annoying, especially on a high-pitched instrument such as the whistle. My wife goes nuts listening to me practice the same phrases of a tune over and over again when I’m learning it for the first time.
You may be just a tad to hard on yourself, especially for someone so new to the instrument.

Oh, man, you made me feel sad. Don’t talk that way.
I find your playing very good (not excellent, we both know it), but very good indeed.
A lot of people don’t know how to appreciate music, and that shouldn’t matter you.
I also have a neighbour who break my b**** every now and then, but I won’t stop practicing everyday because he doesn’t like it.
You are also a member of a session, that’s great, and not all the people have that opportunity, you should be proud of it, and knowing that there the people really enjoy your playing.

I don’t think it’s YOU, just some people who don’t appreciate music. Keep going, and don’t be discouraged, please!

Cheers,
Martin

Ok, let me refrase that, play for yourself in a quiet place where no one can here you.

you might not be apartment material. I know I would not be able to live in one, what with whistles and pipes raging night and day. You must get a quite whistle and find a place to practice away from the philistines.
Try a blob of bees wax or blue tack on the fipple blade, that’ll quieten it down.
I’ve found that music can often filter out those whom I shouldn’t be spending time with as well as attrackting those I should. :slight_smile:

You could try an A whistle instead of a D. It’s not nearly as shrill and it’s not too hard to get used to the increased finger stretch.

I would agree with the idea of a lower key whistle. My thought was a Bb, which might be a little more available. Not even the dog seems to mind my Gen Bb. My wife even says it’s somewhat soothing. The only thing to bear in mind, of course, is to imagine you’re playing a D when you’re in the keys of D or G. I find that a little tricky at times! Needless to say, I’m a beginner, too. Hope you find an answer that works.

Peace.

Try listening to Harry Chapin’s “Six String Orchestra” to cheer you up! It always brings a smile to my face and then I go back to practicing even harder.

I bring my instrument to a park or to the beach and lots of times I’m all alone and can practice away without bothering anybody. I also practice in my car. That works really well. Sometimes I park it in a nice place with a pretty view and just play my music and look at the view.

  1. Find a place to practice where no one can listen to you. Then you can make all your mistakes during practice, get better, and when you perform people will enjoy your playing more.

That is impossible. Moscow has no private houses, only block flats.

  1. If you can, get a quiet whistle such as a Hoover. I don’t know if Mack ships to Russia, so this might not be an option.

My narrow bore GFM is one of the quietest whistles I’ve ever heard. Even more of that: I have an Every whistle with a mute ring. But neighbors from downstairs still start knocking in the central heating pipes when I play it longer than some time.

Honestly, though a lower instrument will be better on the ears of those who don’t like the whistle, i think overall you’ll find that, if the music is annoying now for people, it will be slightly less annoying but ultimately still annoying for those who don’t want to hear it. Case in point, my wife hates my whistling similar to the way you’re talkign about your family and neighbors disliking yours, and it got so bad that once, in extreme annoyance, she threw and broke my Bb gen. (Luckily, i’m a fairly patient person and we worked through that one.)

I figured that it was the high pitched sound that was bugging her, and in part it was, but that wasnt the only thing. When i bought a tipple low d flute, decidedly lower than the whistles i’d been playing, she remarked that it was less piercing, and that she liked it better… but my playing still annoyed her almost just as much, lower pitch and all. It really was the music she didnt like, the genre, the tunes, the whole “irish” thing (even though she’s part irish herself, go figure). My mother, who lives near me, has a similar dislike (“I like the sound, but can’t you play something other than leprechuan music,” she said)

Now, my mom is a musician herself (piano for 48 years) so even though she dislikes the style of music, she can appreciate my desire to play, but not so my wife. What really got my wife to stop being so annoyed with it was not the lower pitch, but really i had to sit down and explain to her how playing it made me feel, how much i enjoyed it and the beauty it added to my life and such. Once she understood how much it meant to me, she was more willing to deal with it, to be supportive, even, even though she doesnt care for it. Ultimately we had to compromise. I can play an hour per day at home and she’ll bark no complaint. Now, that isn’t nearly the amount of time that i’d like to play per day, but it is something, and since i play at work for about an hour or so per day while grading and after school (sometimes staying late just to play) it works out for me.

I’d really, though, suggest firstly, not quitting. You’ll miss it, and the beauty it brings to your life will be missed sooner or later. Also, it could create resentment in you for some of those you care about. SEcondly, i’d talk to those you care about that don’t like it, let them know what it means to you. Maybe when they see or understand what it means to you, they’ll be more understanding.

Another thing, it might be advisable to practice for a set time or a set amount of time per day. I know one of my wife’s big annoyances was that i would walk around the house with the whistle basically all day, playing a minute or two here, a minute or two there. THough overall i may have totally played like an hour or so that day, the fact that it was spread out at sporadic times of the day gave it the feeling that i was playing all day, making her listen to something she didnt want to listen too all day long.

As for neighbors… i dont know, i don’t live in an apartment, though my neighbors who are friendly say that they occasionally hear it in their house, especially the louder whistles. I try to make sure i dont play too late too loud, so i dont wake them (the husband drives trucks, leaves at like 4 am) or too loud too early. I have some down the street neighbors who blast their stereos, sometimes late at night, and it’s super annoying to me, so i try to avoid being like that. I wouldnt stop, though, because my neighbors didnt like it, i would though try to be courteous and considerate, within reason (i.e. no 2 am susato loud as you can blow sessions) but ultimately keep playing.

You may, as suggested, consider getting a lower pitched whistle. Though it may not take away, ultimately, the annoyance, it may blunt it a bit. My wife hates my Bb as much as she hates my Eb, but it took her a little longer to build up that hatred :stuck_out_tongue:

Just to make things clear.

I understand that my playing is not something that is worth listening to, and that it makes other people sick.

And that’s exactly what is the problem.


I love my whistle, but I’m not sure doing something that irritates everyone is something that is worth doing. And I don’t know how to deal with that.

I think your playing is worth listening to. Just keep on playing.

Maybe you could practice on the street or in a park? I’ve played in bus stops before, and got a surprising amount of compliments, even though my playing is not very good. I find people who don’t know much about Irish music think your good, even if you mess up a lot.
Just try practicing out of the apartment, and don’t give up!

Maybe you could practice on the street or in a park?

Not right now. This is Moscow, not Utah. It is 4C (39F) outside right now, rain with snow. Playing outside is possible since late april till late september or early october, and possible does not mean comfortable.

Bregwas: Does your apartment block have cellar? Here, in Prague, almost all blocks do, and when you do sound muffling in them (carpets are awesome), they´re a lovely place to play.

I suffer from similar problem - with my neighbor. Good thing is, she´s so arrogant I don´t feel bad when I disturb her a bit.

There are some tips how to silence your whistle - they do work (although they´re not perfect). Or you can buy a quiet whistle.

Generally - music can give you tons of joy I´d say. The start is always difficult, and sometimes it´s better if you have muffled place to play (rehearsal room/ceiling etc.). Even if you can play a tune really well, if your neighbors hear it every day, played for five minutes, they´ll hardly like it - it´s not so much matter of your quality.

Your playing made ME happy. :slight_smile: I’ve been playing a little over a year, but I don’t have time to practice every day, so I still look forward to the day when I have the amount of fluency you have now.

It would be very disheartening to face two dozen critics who have nothing good to say. I think you have to address the issues people have been talking about here: is the pitch too high? is the whistle too loud? lots of playing throughout the day? But after that – once you have done all you can to make it acceptable to the people around you – if they keep complaining, the problem belongs to them, not to you. Don’t let them ruin your joy.

Finding a place to practice is extremely difficult in some environments.

I taught myself flute here.

I can imagine that Moscow would be even tougher.

Best,
Denny

Pyroh, blocks in moscow and in prague are a bit different. Imagine a 17-floors building, 16 flats for each floor. This is our block, some are bigger.

They usually have some cellars and attics, but they’re not for public use. Doors which lead there are always closed since terrorist attacks in 1999.