Hello all,
I have a question, I’ve been listening to a lot of Fred Morrison lately and I hear him use this tounging(?) technique that I have no idea how to emulate. It is like a triple tounging with a long roll at the same time(!) or at least it sounds like that. It’s a very fast triplett vibe and I have no idea how to make the sound. Wondering if anyone here might know what he is doing. I can site some recording references as to where he uses it but I think anyone that has listened to his whistle pieces on Up South or Sound of the Sun will know what I’m talking about. Thanks
Tonguing.
The word tongue, drop the e, add ing.
“Tounging” is pronounced “toon ging.” Perhaps a Saturday morning with the 'toons on TV. Clearly not what you want.
“Tonging” is pronounced “tong ing,” as in what you do at a barbecue with the tongs.
I don’t know why that word is such a problem here. Maybe we need a spelling FAQ . . . yes, I think so . . . Dale, oh DAAAAALE! . . .
thanks so much for the help, that clears it all up for me. My failure to properly spell the word has inhibited my ability to actually employ the technique. I’m going to practice it right now.
Echh! Flame on all spelling nitpickers. Wobble!
Edited to remove pointless invective. And spelling errors. And sentence fragments.
Lambchop wrote:
Tounging" is pronounced "toon ging.
Are you Scottish?
I would like to shed some light on the tonguing question but I have never heard of Fred Morrison. Who is he? Where can I hear some of his stuff? …I think I have been in the pub too much!
Maybe you could slow a track down and hear what he is doing that way.
Well, if you didn’t want help with the spelling, you shouldn’t have put a question mark after it!!! 
Maybe someone can listen to these clips of Up South. There’s a bit of whistle in there. I think I know what he’s doing, because I just did it, but I wouldn’t want to confuse you with an inexpert answer.
You also might want to post your question on the pipers forum. Your likelihood of finding someone who has Fred Morrison’s CDs would be improved.
I have to go with the (?) inviting correction. When I do that I am showing that I think I have spelled the word incorrectly and that correction would be welcome. I mean, I should have looked it up myself so the people are doing me a favor.
I have not seen the gentlman’s name mentioned on the UP forum.
I’m sure someone will come along to help. I couldn’t get the clips Lamby posted to play on my computer and I’m sure I wouldn’t know the answer anyway. Maybe Mr. Auty can listen to them and see what he thinks—put down that pint Mr. Auty and come over here! 
I don’t know if Lamby is Scottish, but she is a Samba Queen. 
Hi xzatious
Why not go to Fred’s website using the link lambchop provided and put the question to Fred himself. He is very approachable and would likely be happy to help you out.
David
Are you referring to the Fred Morrison of GHB fame?
I have heard him piping, but I have never heard him playing whistle.
Hi fancypiper
Fred is a very good whistle player and uilleann piper in addition to GHB and border pipes.
David
Darn! I only have a tape of him on GHB and a couple of cuts on the CD “A Celebration of Pipes in Europe”.
Now, I need to buy more CDs and I am broke. 
Does he do birls or some other GHB technique on the whistle? I have played with a few people that play GHB and they use some strange sounding ornaments that I couldn’t catch.
Here’s the website: http://www.fredmorrison.com/press.htm
If you go there, at the bottom, there are three clips and a little player thing. The third one, The Old Schoolhouse, is whistle.
Click the play button (the big button with the dark arrow), then click the “next track” arrow twice to cycle through the three clips. You want the third one.
I think that’s an excellent suggestion for him to ask Fred himself.
I might be . . . I might be . . .
Hi Lambchop
If you are not Scottish we can adopt you. Scotch lamb is very nice!!
David
xzatious, does any of those sound clips contain the ornament you are asking about?
If so, I will boot into Windows, download and listen and see what I hear.
Ummm, that sounds . . . vaguely . . . culinary. 
As yummy as my plump haunches might seem, I’m afraid this lamb is not for snacking . . . you’ll get far more than you bargained for if the adoption turns out to have that kind of ulterior motive . . .
. . . let’s see . . . where is my flute case . . . man must not have been in the pub the last time this situation occurred . . . heh . . . Cynth! . . . where y’at, dear?. . . you may need to hold my flute for a moment . . . oh, gracious! and here I am wearing this ridiculous samba headpiece . . . may have to factor in a little windage for it . . .
David, she carries semiautomatic weapons in her flute case!!! 
Lamby, he meant Scottish lambs are very nice, as in well-mannered. Just think of those lovely woolens that lambs donate their fleece completely volutarily to make. He just left the “s” off lamb by mistake, ummm, and he used “is” by mistake, he meant “are”.
Scotch? I was told that one shouldn’t use the word “Scotch”—that people from Scotland would be offended by it.
Hold your fire, Lamby! He is really very nice. Do you do the samba, David? 
The Fred Morrison tracks worked on my computer. I really like the first two tracks especially. I didn’t hear what I would think of as “strange sounding ornaments” on the third track, the low whistle one. I heard the trill like places, I think, quite subtle. I’m not sure why they would have to be done with the tongue. But I wouldn’t really know.
You didn’t mention that I know how to use them. . .
Ohhhhh, now I see. I was confused. I must have been disoriented from already being confused about that question-mark thing above, so I went on being confused by not having that “s” on there . . .
What a nice thing to say about Scottish lambs! And their woolens are just lovely.
How nice of him to offer to adopt me, then! Such a nice man!
I suppose it would be good manners not to emphasize the verb disagreement . . . he might have a cultural reason for that . . . I learned that at work . . . if someone doesn’t write with word endings, you shouldn’t mention it because it’s an expression of their cultural diversity . . .
I hope you samba, David! I need a partner. You’d require a costume, but if you already had some of those real tight pants that Scottish men are always wearing on the front covers of novels, those would do. I still have a lot of the gold body paint left, too . . .
Hi Cynth
Don’t worry, with our gun control laws, Lambchop wouldn’t be able to get it into the country. Anyway I would never eat a flute player (get them to play for me yes - eat no) even if she is a toothsome wench.
Lambchop, sorry I cannot do the samba, several stones ago I could do a mean scottische, now it would have to be a belly dance.
David