Pretty much says what I said, I think.
Tom
jGilder wrote:
“Bush has betrayed the soldiers”
I don’t disagree. I just don’t want the protesting to be taken out on the soldiers, as it finally came to be during Viet Nam.
Much the same thing all right. I was Googling around when you posted.
Slan,
D. 
hmmmm… is it myth or fact – or an assassination?
Oops…
I think that the slips of paper story is indeed a myth/fiction. Hey, I’m no fan, and I pointed it out.
Tom
Obviously… I’m saying what if it did.
Saw that the first time.
OK, I’ll bite, but this topic is so hypothetical it hardly bears disucssing, no? So, are you are saying what if GITMO prisoners handed her slips of paper about their treatment and she turned them over to the U.S. officials in charge there?
Not gonna happen! She hates the U.S. Military and they, her. So, why would she be in GITMO at the request of the military?
OK, a miracle has happened and there she is. Does she still hate the military? If so, then I would expect her to palm the papers, read them in the cozy confines of her hotel and turn them over to journalists or others to expose the U.S.
Or, is she there because she now loves the military? In that case, then she would do what they accused her of doing in Vietnam- turn them over to the captors, since she is on their side.
None of this, however, remotely relates to her actions during the conflct in Vietnam.
All the Best, Tom
I didn’t realise that she did anything other than star in Barbarella.
Oh shoot, now I want to listen to a Duran Duran tape.
- “In 1988 in an interview with Barbara Walters on 20/20, Jane Fonda talked about her Vietnam visit and issued what some feel was an apology but which her critics say was not enough.
Fonda said, “I would like to say something, not just to Vietnam veterans in New England, but to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of the things that I said or did. I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I’m…very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families.”
In 2005, Fonda published her autobiography in which she described in detail her decision to go to North Vietnam.
She said it was primarily motivated by her desire to document the U.S. bombing of important dikes that, if destroyed, could kill tens of thousands of people and devastate the lives of millions.
The U.S. had denied the bombings.
In the book, Fonda is unapologetic about the trip or her participation in broadcasts on radio Hanoi but regrets the pictures taken of her at the gun emplacement.
She said it made it appear as though she was celebrating armaments aimed at American planes, which was not how she felt and was not the context in which the pictures were taken.
She reminds readers that the U.S. investigated her trip and found no reason to bring any charges against her.
She describes her longstanding support of, and interaction with, U.S. military personnel and says her only beef was with the U.S. government, not the troops.” - Source
What amazes me is that she was getting all this flak while at the same time the US government was secretly bombing Laos indiscriminately and murdering innocent men women and children by the thousands. The devastation was wide spread and US bombers were even ordered to empty the ordinance of bombs in Laos so their landing would be safer. They dropped more bombs secretly in Laos than during the entire Second World War in Germany and Japan. They still haven’t been fully held accountable – and their crime was far worse than whatever harm Jane caused.
Well, I stand corrected. What is proven still does not endear her to me, but frankly, I am glad to know that story is not true, because I have never been able to understand why she would have done it.
Yep, that stuff about her you posted is also well known. I’m not disputing any of that. She said she’s sorry to soldiers but that she doesn’t regret what she did. Uh, ok. So, if I murder someone I can say, I’m sorry, but oh, by the way, I don’t regret my actions. Would ring a bit hollow, no?
Your last paragraph, while true, again, does not make Jane Fonda any less responsible for her actions. If you want a thread about the secret bombings, go for it, I would bet I’ll be on your side on that one.
All the Best, Tom
Weeks: I was not having a go at you here. I heard that story a number of times and used to believe it, also.
I’m no fan of hers, believe me.
All the Best, Tom
I believe the point is that the US has occasssionally found it prudent to allow visitors to enter guantanamo and interact with prisoners. Some visitors are from the Red Cross and I believe a recent party was composed of members of congress. I’m certain that either group would be obliged to turn over any notes or letters to prison authorities.
Failure to do so would definitely result in criminal charges.
And of course it’s moot anyway since the story turns out to be false.
Tom, I am glad to know the truth.
I watched a bio on A&E about her, which was of course timed with her movie that was coming out. She has a lot of emotional issues, and it manifests with her being pretty much of a complete flake who “bends with the trend.”
It’s a free country but I wish she would just stay out of the political limelight because of the pain caused by her Vietnam-era actions (the true ones). It’s hard not to think that she is seeking yet more attention, frankly, and possibly doesn’t even realize it herself, but has rationalized it out…
Yes, I get that, and I agree with you. However, when I specifically said that she did not do that in N. Vietnam, the response was something like- hypothetically, if she did. That made me think that he was interested in what she would do in GITMO.
I could easily be wrong, though.
Tom
So what exactly again are “(the true ones)”?
Why don’t you read the Snopes link, Gilder? Let your keyboard do the walkin’ and save us from the talkin.’