Do any Rudall & Rose owners have the initials I.N. engraved on the under side of the low C Sharp key on the foot joint. My reason for asking is that I have a Rudall type flute stamped ‘George and Manby’ with the same markings. As far as I can tell, ‘George and Manby’ were either dealers or a music shop in Fleet Street London probably no earlier than the 1830s. I have seen two actual Rudall Rose flutes with the same markings and I recently learned of a Rudall and Rose that was re-stamped ‘George and Manby’
My guess is that the I.N. in question was a silversmith who specialised in the keys and mounts.
I N appears all over the place.Nobody seems to know the significance.It would be facinating to know who it represents.I wonder if it could have been for INgram.Perhaps just a humble unknown keymaker.
George & Manby flutes ( which Mr Migoya characterised as rubbish stamped by idiots, remember ?) are of the same style and quality of workmanship as Rudalls, but unrelated.
The one which was doing the rounds in New York seemed to be a marriage.
ANDREW!
My MAN!
You’re alive!
And still dissing me! (do you EVER stop?)
Tsk, tsk.
I guess you’re right. George & Manby were GREAT flutes, found in all the world’s best collections, receiving top dollar whenever you find one. Just look them up in Langwill’s and read all about 'em! VERY reputable bunch of men of high character and great skill in marketing flutes in the 1830s.
Doesn’t matter. You’ll say whatever you like despite it all.
And everyone on this board is bored and tired with you anyway.
But I’m really glad to see you’re still breathing Andrew.
It just means the devil isn’t ready for you yet!
So sorry David. I didn’t realise that you are sensitive about being quoted on relevant topics.
As for " To diss" - I have no dictionary of American slang to hand. Sorry.
From where do you get the authority to utter such a statement - or did I miss the poll entitled “Who is bored & tired with Andrew”, which, I assume, returned the 100% result on which you based your posting.
Your childish responses do you no credit whatsoever. It’s a matter of time before you start on “my Dad’s bigger than your Dad”.
I can only imagine that your response to this post will be “it’s not my fault, he started it”. (Followed by your usual repertoire of emoticons)
Andrew you say that I.N. appears all over the place, does that mean that you have seen it on flutes other than Rudall and Rose and George and Manby? Perhaps you could let me know what flutes you have seen it on. My George and Manby is a great flute for sure, you say that you remember seeing it when it was being improved, I presume that was in Chris Wilkes’ workshop. Was that before I bought it in 2000 or when I had a crack dealt with earlier this year?
David, I didn’t see any listing for George and Manby in the New Lanwill index, Where exactly is it?
Going into the bottom of the sixth the score is 3-2 in Andrew’s favor. Migoya had the bases loaded and nobody out but he couldn’t move them around. Two runners thrown out at home plate.
Andrew, showing great restraint, plays small ball effectively.
Migoya has good coaches but he ignores their advice. He is a free-swinger who doesn’t know when to take a pitch and when to swing for the fences.
I apologise to our friends across the ocean for speaking baseball. 'Tis the season.
I am not tired of Andrew.
I will happily defer to the “expert” on all flute matters. I have learned my place. :roll:
Levine…good thing it’s a 7-game series, eh?
Ciaran…that’s because there is no listing in Langwill’s for the great flute house of George & Manby…in any of the 6 editions of Langwill’s that have been published since the 1960s.
But I am anxious to see the list of flutemakers who have “I.N.” (or is it “N.I.”?) on their keys that are found all over the place, too.
I’m sure yours is a good flute, especially after Chris tweeked it.
I saw your flute when it was having it’s crack fixed, Ciaran.
I have talked to Terry McGee and Robert Bigio and others about the mysterious I N in the past, as it is such a puzzle, but nobody seems to know.
Mr Migoya may know something about some tweaking of the flute. I do not. I had assumed that it was good because it is so well made, but stand to be corrected.
actually, Andrew, I was going off what YOU said about Ciaran’s flute in your first post here:
I remember your flute when it was being improved.
Now, perhaps my language skills are challenged, but this tells me it’s being “tweeked” and not repaired. Having fixed quite a few cracks myself, I can’t ever believe I improved the flute, except perhaps to get it playing again.
You do indeed seem to be going off, Migoya. Desperation to say something seems to be setting in.
Normal people might think that if the condition of a flute is changed from one in which it doesn’t work to one in which it does work then the condition and so the flute has improved.
Do you have dictionaries where you lurk ?( A black Lagoon, is it ?).
I see in one to hand ( only an American one, I am afraid ) that under “improve " the first definition is " to make better the quality, condition, etc.,”
I can’t comment on whether or not your working on flutes has failed to improve them, but I am willing to believe it.
I could comment on your skills in the use of English, but I shall forbear.
It may not be relevant, but I am advised by a kind Australian silver expert that there was a John Nichols registered as a silversmith in London from 1836 onward.
(do you EVER stop?)
