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hey all - I recently realized that I tongue way too much in my playing. So, I’ve decided to start using taps, cuts, and rolls in my playing and its so much more fun.
One sticking point is that when I play jigs, I’m losing the ‘bouncy’ feel that I had when tonguing. For instance, playing ‘lilting banshee’ goes - faa faa. I used to tongue pretty much for every note and it sounded pretty good. Now I want to remove tonguing completely (except to start the tune), so I’ve been tapping between the ‘a’ notes. the sequence in detail would be : tongue, f, a, tap, a, f, a, tap, a . It sounds ok, but not as jiggy as if I tongue between each note. any suggestions?

You’ve gotta use a little tounge whenever you’re “getting jiggy” ROFL!!! :laughing:

I started on whistle playing old-time American fiddle tunes, which I still do a lot of. My approach is very fife-like, and uses LOTS of tonguing. This is WRONG for ITM, and I am thus in the process of “reinventing” my playing. My method is to go back to the very beginning, and play each tune SLOOOWLY, replacing my tonguing with appropriate cuts, rolls, etc… I think it’s going pretty well, and I really like the results compared to how I sounded with the tonguing.

Look at Brother Steve’s page on jigs.
He suggests tounging only between the 2nd and 3rd notes in a group of 3.

One point in addition and just due to my own interest: Is there anyone out there who uses “throating” (neologism yet, I hope) instead of tonguing? That means that the same effect caused by the tongued and soundless “doo” is caused by a short closing of the throat, let’s say just like speaking the beginning of the word “homme” (sorry, but an english word with this particular sound didn’t occur to me right now).
I’m just asking, because when I was a young boy, I learned to play recorder and my teacher always had to remind certain students to “use their tongue”, which sounded completely strange and meaningless to me, for I used the throat right from the beginning of my play. And after all, it’s a bit more comfortable too, I think. Anyway, it seems, that this issue didn’t achieve to concern me at that time, but nowadays I’m really curious about this matter, since I really never found anyone who did it this way.

I’d say that (in whistle playing anyways, I can’t speak for r*******s) that if you use your throat instead of your tongue then you are limiting yourself. Some would even argue that it is not healthy for your throat. I don’t know that for sure but I’ve heard it said on more than one occasion. Of course, there are those who may tell you not to tongue in whistling at all and although there is such thing as tonguing too much, I don’t believe that statement is reasonable.

Can’t retrace those concerns. In my case, the throat is really very very slightly stressed. The only disadvantage may be, that when it comes to playing darn fast tunes, the tongue is faster than the throat (again, I can only speak for my own organs). But the only kind of these tunes I actually play are irish folk tunes - and then I don’t have to permanently tongue or throat at all :smiley:

Da-ga-da, da-ga-da will give you triplets using throat and tongue. This is fife-style whistling, and I do it a lot. Sucks for ITM, (IMHO).

The technical term is a “glottal stop”

Unless your whistle is the stepping stone to pipes, I don’t know why a bit of tonguing would be considered “bad”. Whenever I see this discussed, I immediately think of Packie Manus Byrne-Certainly trad, and certainly tongued.

I use glottal stops. It’s not bad for the throat (we do it all the time in speaking) and it feels far more natural to me than tonguing. And either one is fine in small amounts, even in trad. Yes, use your fingers most of the time, but these are wind instruments and we have the benefit of a mouth in addition to fingers. A mouth can come in handy.