Eight-Key Encomium

I’m on record here several times as being a big fan of the eight-keyed flute. I’m forever turning up tunes, some of which I’ve played for years, that just cry out for a well-placed low C# or C. Slow airs can be moved around the flute to new keys, with lovely results. Additionally, having a C to blow anytime one likes is great training for blowing good D’s; after a few sustained C’s, D seems like a breeze! And, let’s face it: those keys just look cool down there. Like a piper with shiny regs that never get touched, at least we seem fully dressed when we go out.

Sadly, it’s a complicated bit of kit that doesn’t always work like it should. The springs dig holes where they touch down, producing critching and hanging up. The blocks wear, introducing alignment problems. Pewter plugs corrode and wind up pitted and scarred, and the result is the same: bad seal, so no note or and out of tune one. I wonder how many folks have been put off the eight-key flute by an encounter with a flute that, while healthy looking, had some little problem which guaranteed unsatisfactory function? All it takes is a tiny disturbance in the alignment of the various parts; the plug doesn’t seat home, nothing comes out despite your best effort, and the next thing you know you’ve nearly sworn off the infernal contraptions for good (and you’re looking for a place to dicreetly dispose of a double fistful of your own hair).

I’ve dealt with all of these issues in getting my own eight-key flutes to sound properly down there, and to actuate with no hesitation. A slip of watch spring serves nicely as a bearing surface for the springs; blocks can be shimmed and touches/plug holders bent to restore proper alignment; plugs generally have to be replaced if corroded but there are a few folks doing that these days. I have two eight-keys that I play regularly, one of which has always performed perfectly and has never needed any assistance. The other one, my poor mistreated Wylde, has been substantially worked on by no fewer than 5 master repairmen: David Strauch (Eb pad and pin, C# pin), Tom Aebi (X-large C pin), Aran Olwell (new ring, replaced bottom 1+" of footjoint which had been sawn off!), Chris Wilkes (new plugs, restored touches to original profile, new springs), and yes, yours truly (shellac-sealed plates, shimmed blocks, repaired sheared-off C# block, etc.). Did I say 5 master repairmen? Rougly 5…

That “etc.” is significant. Even after everyone else had had their way with the footjoint, I still spent hours pr*cking around with the damn thing until it worked flawlessly. Fortunately, or unfortunately, I had a perfect example to compare it to, so I ended up shimming blocks, bending plug holders, tweaking springs, etc., until it was pretty much the equal of the other. At times it would seem to be perfect, then a day later all was lost, usually as a result of some lateral play in the plug holders as pointed up by inconsistent pinkie placement from day to day by myself. I’m delighted with the results, but I wonder what someone would do who didn’t have access to the best minds in the flute trade like I was fortunate enough to.

If there’s a point to all of this, it would have to be that sometimes, when that low C just doesn’t sparkle like it should, it isn’t your fault. That’s a hellishly complex and sensitive mechanism down there; Chris Wilkes told me it’s pretty much half of the effort of making a fully-keyed flute to manufacture and fettle the footjoint. So if you’re not getting along with yours, have it looked at by someone who knows how they are supposed to work.

As an addendum, there’s one thing every eight-key player should be aware of. I know it’s been mentioned here many times before, but it bears repeating; I myself had forgotten this bit of sage advice: put a drop of 3-in-1 or other household oil on your plugs from time to time. I don’t care how well your C foot is working - this will make the seal more definite, more immediate. As I said, both of my flutes work very well in general, as well or better than nearly every flute, new or antique, that I’ve ever tried (and I’ve been to Andrew’s house…). That said, the oil is a noticeable improvement. Try it! Best of luck,

Rob

It should be said though that flutes from modern makers should have minimal issues with these two items as a well made flute should be fitted with durable spring bearing plates and lined keyways, so the springs don’t dig holes and and blocks don’t wear.

Since we do insist on our instruments being made from wood, a recent thread not withstanding, things may change a little bit with the key/block fit even on a flute with lined keyways, but the changes tend to be much reduced, and measures necessary to adjust are typically minimal.

Not sure I even need to say anything about Pewter plugs…

Loren

So that’s what happened? The travails of sorting those foot keys must have been even more stressful than your tale makes them sound! :wink:

More seriously, I happily haven’t shared your bad experience(s!), though doubtless you have handled more “high end” antique English flutes than I have. I made some comments that are relevant here in discussion that followed posting pics of my Rampone 12-key on the Pictures Sticky - http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?p=737651&highlight=#737651 - and a couple of posts later there are some video clips of said keys in action.

I was sincerely hoping that someone would take me up on that one…great way to tell how carefully folks are reading! Thanks for not letting me down, Jem. Cheers,

Rob

I’d have to say I’m no fan of pewter plugs either. If you’re lucky and they aren’t too corroded, thay can be made to work (I’ve just done a pair that came up really well). But they are still a bit on the noisy side, though the oil seems to help a little here too.

But sometimes the corrosion is just too far gone, and the things will never seal well. Doesn’t seem to make much sense to go to a lot of effort replacing them in pewter, when they were never a very good idea in the first place. I’ve wondered about making delrin replacements - they wouldn’t corrode and would be quieter, but might wear more rapidly.

I have replaced corroded plugs with normal modern pads, by fashioning simple cups in silver to fasten to the rings of the plug holders. The pewter plug seats seem to form adequate pad seats. It’s not a small job for the reasons Rob talks about above.

Terry

Questions to you 8-keyers:

I find I’m often rolling the other footjoint on my 6-key
away so my pinky rests on wood, not the
Eb key. It seems a bit tricky to use the key that
way. Of course one doesn’t want get an 8 key
and roll away the footjoint!

How do you brace the flute?

Also I’ve heard it said that the two bottom keys
reduce the force/sound of the low D.

True?

“Encomium” - is that a bit like a “comb-over”? :smiley:

Jim, I don’t get your query “How do you brace the flute?” - in what context, footjoint in playing position or with keys turned away? No problem in either case (save for a flat E with it rolled away) - rolled away, rest little finger on side of tube as you mentioned; keys in playing position, use Eb key in conventional, proper fashion (i.e. vent it for all but D and lower notes - that is NOT just a Boehm thing - have a look at period fingering charts!). Note also that the majority of the R hand “bracing” of the flute ought to be being done by the R thumb, not the little finger. As for effects on low D, it may be that the foot keys veil it a little, but that is just going back to the old short v long foot debate really. I’d rather have the keys (as Rob says - we agree again!!!) and have to improve my embouchure/low tone production.

Maybe I’m just lucky, but I don’t oil the pewters on my R&R and wouldn’t want to because it would catch grime and end up making them sticky, and also possibly induce electrolytic erosion (not sure about the science of that last bit) with the silver receiving plates if they got stuck down in contact. Mine seal just fine without, and the only problem I have ever had with them consists of them gradually getting a groove worn in them where they bang down on the plates - to the point where eventually they start to stick down. I have cured that (repeatedly but not frequently) by rubbing firmly around the chamfer of the plug with a piece of smooth, hard steel until the groove goes - I think this removes very little pewter but rather presses it back into the body of the plug - filing (which I did do once, the very first time they got stuck - soon worked out the folly of that approach, though!) would wear the plug away sooner. Though I daresay they will ultimately need replacing, they appear to have plenty of life left in them and not to have eroded significantly in my c25 years of regular use. I do admit that they clack, though!

Jim - I put my pinky on the block that supports the Eb key. Very comfortable there, and I find having the pinky slightly raised because of the block makes it easier to move the other fingers on that hand.

I have a vintage flute and have no problem with the lower notes. I can get as good a C on my eight-key as I do on my Boehm, pewter plugs and all. I have yet to find another flute that performs as well, old or new, however. Don’t know why.

Oddly, Rob, I find the eight-key more forgiving of allignment variations and pad wear than the Boehm - again, can’t say why.

I love my eight-key and wouldn’t trade it for anything I’ve ever had the chance to play.

Aanvil will probably tease me about this, but hey, I calls 'em as I sees 'em.

Cheers.

Let me further state that I strongly prefer pewter plugs to pads. I’d go as far as to say that I’ve never played a flute with cup-and-pad style foot-keys that I liked. The plugs, assuming they’ve been sorted, seal with much more authority than any sort of pad. Whack! And you’re there. If you like that sort of thing, which I do, and you don’t mind the noise, which I don’t, pads just won’t provide that same sensory experience. Whack! You’re there.

Rob

Ahhhh, now we start to get to the real bottom of the hairosion - all that whacking! Funny, I’ve still got all mine…(more-or-less).

Back hair doesn’t count. Cheers,

Rob

p.s. I thought “encombloviatover” was pretty good… but so was “hairosion!”

Here you go:

http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?t=57587

Cheers,

Rob