Educate me on this.... Flute volume

Not all Flutes of course are created equal when it comes to volume.
So how do the following rank in terms of creating a loud Flute and why?
Bore diameter
embouchure
finger hole size
depth of embouchure and finger holes and undercutting
something else? :confused:
Ben Shaffer

See that knob on the end? :thumbsup:

didn’t get the knobs on my Flutes , they were extra :smiley:

probably rules out the foot pedal attachment too then

It’s very simple: cubic volume of flutes is inversely proportional to bank account balance.

We’ve got many experts on board.

I misread that as ā€œCubitt volumeā€! :smiley:

The blow hole (or the whole headjoint?) makes the biggest impact on everything on the flute, volume too.
I’ve tried some friends’ headjoints on my flute body, the difference was really impressive.

Yes, I’ve heard people say that, but personally I think that it is all in your head.

OK, we’ve had some Jokes :smiley: , but do we have anyone that is actually knowledgeable about this? :poke:

bit complex for this vehicle…

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/music/flute/

Not sure what you’re looking for, Ben. You’ve hit all the high points except the most important: technique.

Actually there is a reason for my asking this question. Ive got a Flute that is on the rather quite side. Its a blackwood Flute, has a pretty standard embouchure, has fairly large size finger holes and the Flute diameter may be enlarged I’m guessing. I can’t help but think the Flute properly tweaked can be made to have increased volume… That said what direction would you take to accomplish this first…reream the Flute, undercut or even enlarge the holes, recut the embouchure?

OK, Ben, here’s my experience. I have a Tony Dixon delrin flute. An early model, with four sections, no tuning slide. Clearly based on a small bore, small holed Rudall design, complete with two ā€˜vent’ holes in the foot. It has a mirror-like polish to the body bore. The Embouchure hole is relatively enormous. . .easily as large as my student model Bundy Boehm flute with a very modern cut. The amount of volume that can generated with this flute is startling, considering how small are the tone holes. Another peculiarity is the roughness of the head-joint bore, almost suffering from ā€˜tear-out’ type blemishes. . .perhaps an attempt to create a little more ā€˜character’ or ā€˜color’ to the tone.

Bob

Ben,

You’ve hit on a topic that is quite complex and has been hashed out and argued about on this forum many different times.

Super basic assumptions: Prattens are louder than Rudalls. Problem is this does not hold true as a hard fast rule. The larger the bore usually the more volume potential. But there are so many other factors: the player, how the flute is blown, how the flute works. A certain player playing a smaller bored Rudall may play very loudly, cutting through and over a Pratten player. I play a smaller bored flute but am plenty loud.

There’s a start for you. My 3 year old needs me…

The rank is as follows:

player
player
player
player
player
player
bore size
embouchure size

The tone holes don’t play into that too much, Firth&Pond flutes can be driven very loud despite their small holes, because they usually have big bores. They just ā€œbreakā€ earlier (i.e. into the high octave) due to the smaller holes providing less exit space for the chased air molecules (I think. not a phycicist tho).

The bore has a huge influence on everything, but I assume that everything is right on our imaginary flute. If the bore is wrong, a big volume/presence can’t be achieved due to several funny things that happen (in the wrong bore), making it difficult for the air column to stay in a stable state. That is the reason why most cheap old german flutes and pakistani flutes don’t work…the bore is wrong. It really takes something to make an embouchure hole bad, if the bore is right, a simple hole without any undercutting already works nice and gives you honk on the low notes. Undercutting is mostly necessary for forming the tone then (and it influences the response of low E).

great info Gabriel! :thumbsup:
so German and Paki Flute don’t work because the Bore is to small or because the bore is wrong relative to?

The larger the bore

it’s actually the larger the holes mostly. That’s why they started undercutting the holes, because otherwise they were too large to cover.
embouchure has a lot to do with it, too.
as does the bore size at the foot of the flute. there’s a critical taper at the foot joint. One of Pratten’s things, though Quantz first came up with it.

That’s why Nicholson was so popular…he was LOUD for his time…and it was his father of the same name who came up with the idea of the large tone holes…and why Boehm took them up.

hope this helps

The biggest effect I’ve seen on volume is standing up straight and keeping your chin up. I focus on something in the distance to keep my head up, as I have a nasty tendency to look toward the ground when I concentrate, and this brings the head down. Keep the elbows up and the chin high and see if that doesn’t make a difference. When you play flute, your entire body becomes part of the instrument. You wouldn’t buy a bent flute, so don’t encourage a slouched body.

Check out my avatar. That’s me doing it WRONG. :cry: