Ebay boxwood--about to happen

All these links go to the same ad:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270257948099&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX&refitem=320275919108&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&refwidgettype=osi_widget&_trksid=p284.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSI%26its%3DI%252BIA%26itu%3DIA%252BUCI%26otn%3D4%26ps%3D42#ebayphotohosting

Pretty hawt stuff, although that crack still looks kinda scary.

I saw that one earlier looks interesting. Seller says it was overhauled by Hammy Hamilton in '06 at least you know it will play.

yer amazin’ Jim…even yer links are verbose!

“all these links” are one link

Oh man… I just almost choked on my wine. :smiley:


The Clementi I have played have had that funky tuning.

I’m so glad that Firefox changed the way it word wraps… :wink:

I got a friend to spew wine out her nose once!

Dang she was a fun one!

Will you say more about how the tuning is funky?
What I most fear in these instruments.

Hi Jim,

apart from the Funky tuning, the other issue you would have is getting it to the USA, the flute is based in Ireland, and although the seller has listed it as a worldwide sale, the ivory could cause some problems, I know as I have been there, the long winded route is to get ( C I T E S ) documentation sorted out, cites is the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES).

This has to be done by the seller, if you bought it you would also have to have your documentation in order to recieve the flute, its a real drag,
of course you dont have to do it, but in my experience on buying flutes from the USA, 2 of the 3 that I have bought have been opened and delayed by customs, and these were modern flutes ( no ivory ).

The downside is, if its opened by customs, and identified as ivory or bone ( walrus ) the fine is £2000 and the item is confiscated without return.
They also chuck in a prison sentence, depending on the circumstances.

So when you look at it like that funky tuning is the least of your problems :smiley:

sponge :smiley:

There is no import duty on flutes entering the USA,
is my understanding, so I suppose it wouldn’t be
checked if it was marked ‘Flute.’ Sending flutes
TO the UK is a very different matter, in my experience.
But I have no plan to bid on this.

One wonders if Hammy checked or fixed the tuning.

Wrote seller to ask questions.

:confused:

I’m interested in learning more about these flutes,
and I expect others interested in bidding will
profit from the answer if it’s posted.

No you dont have an duty or tax to pay coming into the USA, but in my experience any high value insured item is usually checked, and in my case I am glad I had the paperwork as my package was opened and delayed by two weeks whilst they waited for my paperwork and confirmed it was all OK.

sponge :slight_smile:

Thanks. Another reason to err away from ivory.

Response to my questions:

'I am selling this flute for my father. His response is below:

Tuning: the internal tuning is fine. The external tuning is fine but I play by ear and have no electronic tuner to test it. For traditional playing, the flute plays best with the bottom two keys removed.

As regards shipping, the flute is over 150 years old so we don’t think there will be a problem but best check with the authorities there.

Kind regards
Shubops’

Three cheers for the seller! Throw those tuners out the window! :smiley:
Never had any problem with flutes with ivory being shipped over here. Haven’t been hauled away in shackles yet… Oh wait, there is someone knocking on my door… :swear:

Oh noes.

The elephants… they have found him.

:astonished:

Yes, yes, the ghosts of elephants long dead have found him:
‘Youuuu stollle my tooooooooth!’

sorry jon, I can’t help it…

Here’s some info on how to legally import ivory

http://www.ehow.com/how_2156113_import-ivory-legally.html

Import antiques. One of the most clear cut ways to import ivory legally is by importing antique goods. Antique ivory goods that are more than 100 years old can be legally brought into the country. The key to the importation of antique ivory is that you have proper documentation to prove the age of the antique pieces.
Step2
Find previously acquired pieces. Ivory that was legally acquired before February of 1977 can be legally imported into the US. The difficult with this case of importation is finding and providing legal documents that prove the date of original purchase and method of purchase of the ivory. However, if you can provide these documents you can import the ivory.
Step3
Import non-elephant ivories. Ivory restrictions are mostly designed to protect elephants from extinction. This being the case, alternative sources of ivory, such as the tusks of mastadons frozen in the ice of Siberia, are still legal. Warthog tusks, which are similar to ivory, can also be legally imported to the United States.
Step4
Bring ivory as trophies. It is still legal to import elephant tusks as hunting trophies. You need to prove that the tusks came from a sanctioned and properly permitted hunt and that the tusks are free from harmful and restricted bacteria. If you can prove these things than you are free to bring the ivory into the country, provided you don’t sell the tusks.

About to happen.

Jim -

I have (little) problem accepting flutes made with antique ivory - what’s done is done, and - at least, happily - the poor beasty used for a flute some centuries ago went towards something more useful than a decorative knick-knack.

However, the other ways you’ve listed - though possibly legal - reinvigorate consumer desire for ivory, increasing the illegal trade of ivory. Ivory purchased via legal hunting is damned hard to differentiate from ivory purchased illegally - documents are incredibly easy to fake, particularly in countries hurting for cash - and the only legal hunting of elephants are done in countries and by people with questionable scruples or ethics, anyway - an animal going extinct is going extinct, regardless of whether the hunting is deemed legal or not. Ivory from extinct mammoths? Nice cover, but - again, easy to fake documents, and damned hard to prove after the fact where the ivory came from. Ivory from whale and walruses - which you didn’t mention - well, they’re not doing so well, either, if you’re concerned at all about extinctions.

I’ve engaged in several heated arguments over the years on this topic, and don’t really want to go there again, but - since you seem to be a reasonably ethical guy - I figured that I’d point out that your long list of legal loop-holes for the ivory trade, will - in the end - result in boosting the illegal one.