I really don’t want to get off on another “indisputable one v. unmentionable one” debate here. I am seriously, sincerely, really curious; is anyone familiar with Davy’s whistles? Has anyone out there played one?
Blaine
I’d be interested to find out if anyone’s ever even recieved an email reply from him concerning purchasing one of his instruments (I’ve sent a number of inquires with no response…).
Sorry Thom, same here.
Erik
In the six or seven years I’ve been doing this, I’ve never gotten a message from a single person who has claimed to play a whistle made by Davy Spillane, except Davy Spillane.
Dale
On 2001-09-24 07:50, DaleWisely wrote:
In the six or seven years I’ve been doing this, I’ve never gotten a message from a single person who has claimed to play a whistle made by Davy Spillane, except Davy Spillane.Dale
Is it a fact that his whistles are ‘totally’ his design and not a modified or ‘tweaked’ instrument from another maker ?
Tony,
Interesting question indeed…
Thom and Erik,
Ditto here - no response to my e-mail (sent many moons ago) requesting info on his whistles. Why am I not surprised?
Loren
Thanks all. It get the picture.
Blaine
The exact nature of the D.S. low whistles is one of the enduring mysteries of whistledom. In my opinion, D.S.'s testimony regarding this hasn’t exactly closed the book on it. These are the prevailing theories:
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DS makes his own whistles entirely. He says he is available to make them for others, but there is little evidence of extant examples of his work out there. Not only have I never seen one or heard from anyone who has one, I’ve never seen liner notes on any recording indicating use of them. I guess one could say that it is plausible that he builds his own and simply hasn’t had time to develop his whistle-making business, in spite of promoting it on his website.
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DS begins with Overtons or Chieftains (I’ve heard Overton more than Chieftain) and makes changes in it to suit his own needs. If he offers his whistles for sale, one would hope this is not the case.
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DS plays Overtons or Chieftains with no more than minor tweaks. I frankly doubt this, because it would make his claim that he makes his own whistles a bald-faced lie, and I sincerely don’t think there’s any reason to conclude that.
My own beliefs about this hover between 1 & 2.
Dale
Im so glad this topic has arisen,I to have emailed Davy about his whistles with no responce whatsoever.
I am also lucky enough to know him personally and have in the past made whistles for him personally and to sell on .I have also looked VERY closely at the whistles on his site and would say hand on heart that if the whistle in the pic is not one of mine then I can only assume that it must be the old Overton that he’s had for 20 years.The only reaso that I think it may be mine is that the mouthpiece looks longer than the Overton that he owns(having played it and measured it personally)I find it very stranger that someone in his possition could/would lie blatently about making/playing/selling his own whistles,but after that now famous email to Dale Im wondering.Of all the well known low whistle players I know,Davy is much more inclined to self promotion and keeping any merchantising strictly to his own advantage.Maybe this is why he seems to be put to one side by the normal trad scene as most other whistle players are more than happy to help promote the instruments the use . In my opinion all the people I deal with on a professional level have been delighted to be associated with Goldie,Overton,Able,copeland and the like.So I think it might be an idea to take Davys’claims with a pinch of salt until he allows somebody to own of his OWN whistles up for scrutiny.I have always held Davy in the highest esteme and as a person he is shy and unassuming and has on occasion put me up at his home ,so I have no axe to grind only a keen interest in a claim.
Phil
Thanks for your comments Phil. It is good to hear from someone who is personally acquainted with Davy. I have tended to give him the benefit of the doubt, because, frankly, I do like his music.
Is he aware that there are a great number of people out there (not just on this list) who have a less than favorable opoinion of him? Is he the kind of person who would care if he was aware?
Blaine
In all the discussions regarding Mr. Spillane’s celebrated e-mail to Dale Wisely, has anyone investigated the possibility that the message could have been forged, that is, not from Mr. Spillane at all? It is pathetically easy to do this ( forging ), and it is a good way to stir up trouble. I’ve read the thing, and the insulting tone is so gratuitous as to make one wonder – especially when it’s written to the proprietor of a widely-used website catering to Celtic music fanatics the world over ( that’s us … ) and it is in conflict with the “shy and unassuming” description offered earlier in this thread.
Unless we meet face-to-face to confirm identity and the content of messages, all any of us are to the rest of us are glittering phosphors dancing on a glass screen. Look up the word “virtual,” and you’ll find that “virtual reality” is not reality.
It’s just a thought, and it may be 'way off base.
Offered for what it’s worth: I play an Overton low D tuneable, and my tape of the early Riverdance broadcase shows Mr. Spillane playing something that looks just like what I have – except perhaps the “tuneable” part. As a matter of fact, it’s one of the reasons I have that particular low D. I’m willing to admit it could be tweaked, but the mouthpiece of an Overton is pretty distinctive.
I checked out his official website (I’m assuming that that is not faked). It makes the same statement about his playing his own pipes and whistles.
Since I’ve never seen an Overton or Kerry or Chieftain in real life, nor seen Spillane play (in person or otherwise), I have no opinions on this issue as to what he plays. I’m just curious.
Neil,
Good point (about the possibility of a forged message), but it’s highly doubtful in this case: DS’s website sports a declaration (in no uncertain terms) that’s basically identical to the one Dale received - Namely that he (DS) uses only instruments of his own design and manufacture, and that he does not endorse any other instruments or manufacturers.
I think it’s highly unlikely the website is also a fake.
Loren
Whoops, sorry Tuaz - I must have been composing my note while you posted, didn’t mean to duplicate your thoughts:)
Loren
On 2001-09-24 13:48, tuaz wrote:
I checked out his official website (I’m assuming that > that > is not faked). It makes the same statement about his playing his own pipes and whistles.
Just a point of clarification: It’s not Mr. Spillane’s claim to play his own pipes and whistles that interests me, but rather the gratuitously insulting tone of the world-famous e-mail. My putative forger could have gotten the same information from his website, and then had his way with it.
Okay Neil,
But you’d think DS would return Dale’s message regarding the e-mail in question, if it was indeed a forgery, wouldn’t you?
Hmm, perhaps the infamous e-mail came from the grassy knoll…
Loren
Now I’m wondering:
If DS really does make his own whistles, where did learn to make them in the Overton style? DS states on his website where and when he learned pipemaking, but doesn’t mention a thing about how or when he learned to make whistles, very odd.
I take it from Phil’s post that he didn’t show DS how it’s done, right Phil? Somehow I think it’s unlikely that Bernard Overton or Colin Goldie taught DS to make whistles in the Overton style - surely we would have heard something about it over the years. Besides, why wouldn’t DS list that along with his pipemaking “credentials”?
I suppose he could have figured out how to make Overton style whistles on his own, but when would he have had the time for all the trial and error involved in learning to make whistles that way (without instruction)? I mean this is a guy who’s been a full-time working musician (on the road) for how many years? Add to that the time it takes to learn Upipe making, (does he really forge his own regulators and everything?), plus the fact that he’d only have access to shop equipment when not on the road…I just can’t figure out how he’d be able to learn to make that type of whistle, under those circumstances.
Something just doesn’t add up here…
[ This Message was edited by: Loren on 2001-09-24 14:52 ]
Sheesh Loren, cut the guy some slack.
Lets say it takes a month or two to make a full set of pipes, I’m sure he’s been able to do pieces and parts between gigs… might have taken a year to get there, but it’s feasable.
On 2001-09-24 14:25, Loren wrote:
But you’d think DS would return Dale’s message regarding the e-mail in question, if it was indeed a forgery, wouldn’t you?
First, I’d like to point out that I said at the beginning that this was just an hypothesis. I’m not saying it happened; I’m asking whether anyone has looked into the possibility.
Second, not necessarily. Several people in this thread and others indicate that Mr. Spillane apparently doesn’t answer e-mails even when he stands to make money – e.g., by selling them a whistle.
Has anyone on this message board ever received an e-mail message from Mr. Spillane, on any subject, except Dale Wisely?
I agree with you that something doesn’t add up here.
Tony,
Perhaps you’re confused: I didn’t say anything about DS not being able to build himself a set of U Pipes. I agree that if he learned pipemaking from someone years ago, he could easily build a set now or whenever, piece by piece over time.
But that wasn’t my point, the point was; How did he learn to build whistles that look identical to Overtons? If Phil, Colin, or Bernard didn’t teach him, then who did? I’m saying I doubt he would have had the free time to learn through trial and error, given all the other demands on his time. Hell, the guy can’t even find the time to return e-mail from people who’d be interested in buying his whistles!
As far as “Giving the guy a break”, what for? I haven’t insulted him in this thread, I’m just voicing my curiousity about these alleged whistles of his, which seem to be rarer than snipe’s teeth.
Loren