# cutting keyways **URL:** \ **Category:** Uilleann Pipes\ **Created:** [January 19, 2006, 10:33am UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916 "2006-01-19T10:33:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![morten](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/morten/32/367_2.png) [@morten](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/morten)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 10:33am UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/1 "2006-01-19T10:33:15Z")
Hi Bo Nice looking reg there. There is a few pics on my website of Chris Bayley milling a chanter for a key: [http://www.pipers.dk/](http://www.pipers.dk/) Look under “archive” - He used a milling attachment for the lathe, and a homemade bit i think. /Morten ---
**Author:** ![billh](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/billh/32/600_2.png) [@billh](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/billh)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 10:37am UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/2 "2006-01-19T10:37:44Z")
Hi Bo: There’s some discussion of keyway cutting in DMQuinn’s Pipers’ Review article on keywork and springs. I think a slot cutter/end-mill is a more reliable tool. I’d make sure the mill cuts on the end as well as the sides. My own suggestions include a nice firm holding arrangement to minimize chatter and movement, and cutting the keyway with multiple shallow passes. That should reduce tearout, chipping, and other mischief. regards Bill ---
**Author:** ![Tony](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/ee7513/32.png) [@Tony](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Tony)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 11:49am UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/3 "2006-01-19T11:49:57Z")
Did you align the grain before cutting the keyblocks? Previous discussion: [http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?t=16266&highlight=&sid=292b05a92e7818cb1b4f4fc12bc89da1](http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?t=16266&highlight=&sid=292b05a92e7818cb1b4f4fc12bc89da1) ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Hulme](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/7993a0/32.png) [@Mike\_Hulme](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Mike_Hulme)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 12:55pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/4 "2006-01-19T12:55:43Z")
Hi Bo, Linseed Oil is the best finish for bare wood that is going to get handled. I use it on violin necks. Rub it on _sparingly_ with a wad of newspaper and really push it deep into the wood. Let it dry and harden for a couple of days, burnish it up with some more wadded newspaper, and then repeat the whole process until you get a nice sheen on the wood. If it doesn’t get the sheen it will need longer to dry between coats. ---
**Author:** ![billh](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/billh/32/600_2.png) [@billh](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/billh)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 1:07pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/5 "2006-01-19T13:07:14Z")
Linseed oil is nice, but it can darken light wood considerably. If you want the mounts to stay “white”, you might try a bleached shellac sealer, with a coat of carnauba-blend wax on the outside. The “woodturner’s stick” wax sticks leave a nice shine on light woods without darkening them, and the shellac can help protect and seal in case the wax gets worn. Bill ---
**Author:** ![nwhitmer](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/f9ae1b/32.png) [@nwhitmer](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/nwhitmer)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 1:59pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/6 "2006-01-19T13:59:23Z")
Here is a trick I learned from Patrick Olwell, who himself learned it from Michael Copeland: use a metal lathe & mount the work between centers. Put a cutting tool of the correct width (I use a 1/8" wide t-section cutoff blade) horizontally in the tool rest. Line up the work so the intended slot is next to the cutting tool. Lock the spindle so it won’t turn. Hand crank the carriage to move the cutter back & forth, and the compound rest to advance the tool further into the work after each backwards (noncutting) pass. I go in about .010" per cutting pass, .015" if I’m feeling feisty. Makes a very clean accurate slot & so far I have had no trouble with tearouts. Also avoids the use of Rotataing Blades, which make me uneasy. Nick ---
**Author:** ![billh](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/billh/32/600_2.png) [@billh](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/billh)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 2:25pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/7 "2006-01-19T14:25:59Z")
Thanks Nick. I also cut slots between centres on the lathe, with the chuck locked, but I use a slot-cutting rotary tool (a flexible shaft tool mounted in the tool rest) instead of a T-shaped cutting tool. I still cut the slot by moving the tool rest along the lathe bed, advancing the cutting edge a few thousandths per pass. Your method has the advantage, I expect. of avoiding the chatter issue altogether. ---
**Author:** ![Kevin\_Popejoy](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/7cd45c/32.png) [@Kevin\_Popejoy](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Kevin_Popejoy)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 3:00pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/8 "2006-01-19T15:00:47Z")
My method has some similarities. I mount the chanter or reg between centers on my wood lathe, the blocks centered uppermost and the spindle locked. I have a fixture that I mount to the bedways that’s basically a U shaped box with rails along the top edge. These rails are aligned parallel to the body of the regulator. The spacing of the rails accomodate the base of my high speed plunge router. With the appropriate bit and careful alignment I cut the keyways by sliding the router along the rails. I take a few passes with the cutter, adjusting the depth using the plunge feature on the router. This is also the setup I use for cutting the key seats, which is accomplished by mounting the fixture perpendicular to the chanter or reg and cutting a flat seat across the face of the body. If you’re interested I can post of photo of the setup. Kevin ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mulhern](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/john_mulhern/32/108_2.png) [@John\_Mulhern](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/John_Mulhern)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 4:19pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/9 "2006-01-19T16:19:38Z")
VERY nice work, bo! ![:thumbsup:](https://s3.pfaffmanager.com/sites/chiffandfipple/original/2X/4/4340d1e0fb9e428335ef04b571bac202e4498998.gif "thumbs up") I’m curious…how were you holding it on, and feeding it in the drill press? Palmgren type milling attachment??? If the fixture was sturdy, I’d suspect concentricity of the saw rather than its surface speed…especially if a drill chuck with substantial runout was used to mount it. Those things are notorious for chipping & breaking teeth. ---
**Author:** ![uillmann1](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/7993a0/32.png) [@uillmann1](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/uillmann1)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 5:12pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/10 "2006-01-19T17:12:57Z")
![](http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/uilleann05/IMG_2218.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![giggleswicksam](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/giggleswicksam/32/896_2.png) [@giggleswicksam](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/giggleswicksam)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 6:57pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/11 "2006-01-19T18:57:39Z")
Phew! All that technology. We use a razor saw and an old screwdriver. . . . Sometimes I just bite it out with my teeth . . . ---
**Author:** ![pudinka](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/pudinka/32/988_2.png) [@pudinka](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/pudinka)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 7:19pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/12 "2006-01-19T19:19:21Z")
hey Uillmann - Is that real boxwood on the lathe or a “substitute” boxwood? 'tis very nice looking. Is there any kind of finish on it at that point or was anything done for that coloring (oil, nitric acid or heating - as i have read)? It will darken some with age - yes? ---
**Author:** ![Joseph\_E\_Smith](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/joseph_e_smith/32/649_2.png) [@Joseph\_E\_Smith](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Joseph_E_Smith)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 8:31pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/13 "2006-01-19T20:31:57Z")
> [@giggleswicksam](#): > > Phew! All that technology. We use a razor saw and an old screwdriver. . . . > > Sometimes I just bite it out with my teeth . . . Yes. But then you have the experience behind you to insure your better dental health. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Joseph\_E\_Smith](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/joseph_e_smith/32/649_2.png) [@Joseph\_E\_Smith](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Joseph_E_Smith)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 8:31pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/14 "2006-01-19T20:31:57Z")
> [@giggleswicksam](#): > > Phew! All that technology. We use a razor saw and an old screwdriver. . . . > > Sometimes I just bite it out with my teeth . . . Yes. But then you have the experience behind you to insure your better dental health. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Doogie](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Doogie](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Doogie)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 8:41pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/15 "2006-01-19T20:41:24Z")
> [@uillmann](#): > > ![](http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/uilleann05/IMG_2218.jpg) I like uillmann’s set up, What kind of lathe is this… I use a very large drill press with a cross sliding mill vice attached to it… I used to use the razor saw and screw driver/chisel method, that works as well… ---
**Author:** ![ausdag](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/ausdag/32/769_2.png) [@ausdag](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/ausdag)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 8:52pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/16 "2006-01-19T20:52:39Z")
I watched Malcolm McLaren make a chanter the other day. He just centred the chanter between stocks on the metal lathe and attached an ordinary power drill to the cutter dial thingy (the drill had a make-shift brace attached to it so it could be held in the ‘cutter dial thingy’). Turned drill on low and locked it to on - Done - nice. DavidG ---
**Author:** ![Joseph\_E\_Smith](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/joseph_e_smith/32/649_2.png) [@Joseph\_E\_Smith](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Joseph_E_Smith)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 8:57pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/17 "2006-01-19T20:57:35Z")
I was watching a recently acquired DVD of Eugene Lambe making pipes. Says I to myself I says: “Frickin Cool, man… frickin’ bloody cool”. ---
**Author:** ![ausdag](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/ausdag/32/769_2.png) [@ausdag](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/ausdag)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 8:59pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/18 "2006-01-19T20:59:06Z")
Wassat DVD you speakin’ of there Joseph? Mr Lambe made my drones. Would be interesting to see him at work. DavidG ---
**Author:** ![Joseph\_E\_Smith](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/joseph_e_smith/32/649_2.png) [@Joseph\_E\_Smith](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Joseph_E_Smith)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 9:05pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/19 "2006-01-19T21:05:35Z")
I am currently in the process of reeding a Lambe concert pitched chanter myself. I suggest you contact Mr. Chris Bayley for the DVD in question. It doesn’t go into any great detail re: pipe making, but there are a few nice scenes depicting the “process” provided, in addition to a couple of nice visual samples of Dan O’Dowd, himself, pipering. ![:thumbsup:](https://s3.pfaffmanager.com/sites/chiffandfipple/original/2X/4/4340d1e0fb9e428335ef04b571bac202e4498998.gif "thumbs up") ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mulhern](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/john_mulhern/32/108_2.png) [@John\_Mulhern](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/John_Mulhern)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2006, 12:05am UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916/20 "2006-01-20T00:05:04Z")
> Is there any advantage to choosing a 2 fluted bit verses 4 flutes? Probably you’d never notice the difference between them…but I’d go with the 2 fl. anyway, if only for the better swarf clearing ability. I’ve had 2 flutes run forever profiling 2" thick aluminum plate…4 flutes would snap in moments due to poor chip evacuation. As Bill & Kevin suggested, it might be prudent to cut it to depth in a series of roughing passes. Since the lathe bed has flat ways, I wonder if a couple of small “v” tipped machinist jacks would fit under your workpiece & help dampen any chatter??? (or equivalent) [http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=827-9360&PMPXNO=2859541&PARTPG=INLMK3](http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=827-9360&PMPXNO=2859541&PARTPG=INLMK3) [Next page](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/cutting-keyways/34916.md?page=2)