# Condensation in the flute bore - Advice needed **URL:** \ **Category:** Irish Flute\ **Created:** [May 7, 2008, 7:28pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048 "2008-05-07T19:28:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![kennychaffin](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/kennychaffin/32/1553_2.png) [@kennychaffin](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/kennychaffin)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 5:06pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/21 "2008-05-08T17:06:21Z")
> [@Cubitt](#): > > Flatley is a great dancer, but possibly the worst “professional” player I have ever heard, and I’ve heard him play live. Sounds like falling down stairs. Save the jumping up and down for a pro like Ian Anderson. 🙂 KAC ---
**Author:** ![Rob\_Sharer](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/rob_sharer/32/1241_2.png) [@Rob\_Sharer](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Rob_Sharer)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/22 "2008-05-08T17:30:00Z")
> [@Cubitt](#): > > Flatley is a great dancer, but possibly the worst “professional” player I have ever heard, and I’ve heard him play live. Sounds like falling down stairs. Save the jumping up and down for a pro like Ian Anderson. Guess that’s why he only took second in the All-Ireland Fleadh. Piker. Rob ---
**Author:** ![Cubitt](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/cubitt/32/1356_2.png) [@Cubitt](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Cubitt)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 6:14pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/23 "2008-05-08T18:14:42Z")
> [@Rob Sharer](#): > > > [@Cubitt](#): > > > > Flatley is a great dancer, but possibly the worst “professional” player I have ever heard, and I’ve heard him play live. Sounds like falling down stairs. Save the jumping up and down for a pro like Ian Anderson. > > Guess that’s why he only took second in the All-Ireland Fleadh. Piker. > > Rob Actually, I heard he’d won. So much for competitions, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Rob\_Sharer](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/rob_sharer/32/1241_2.png) [@Rob\_Sharer](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Rob_Sharer)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 6:25pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/24 "2008-05-08T18:25:09Z")
> [@Cubitt](#): > > > [@Rob Sharer](#): > > > > > [@Cubitt](#): > > > > > > Flatley is a great dancer, but possibly the worst “professional” player I have ever heard, and I’ve heard him play live. Sounds like falling down stairs. Save the jumping up and down for a pro like Ian Anderson. > > > > Guess that’s why he only took second in the All-Ireland Fleadh. Piker. > > > > Rob > > Actually, I heard he’d won. So much for competitions, eh? Or, more to the point, so much for your assessment of Michael flatley’s flute playing. Cheers, Rob ---
**Author:** ![Cubitt](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/cubitt/32/1356_2.png) [@Cubitt](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Cubitt)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 6:41pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/25 "2008-05-08T18:41:53Z")
> [@Rob Sharer](#): > > > [@Cubitt](#): > > > > > [@Rob Sharer](#): > > > > > > Guess that’s why he only took second in the All-Ireland Fleadh. Piker. > > > > > > Rob > > > > Actually, I heard he’d won. So much for competitions, eh? > > Or, more to the point, so much for your assessment of Michael flatley’s flute playing. Cheers, > > Rob Ah, well, you have your opinion and I have mine. Have you ever heard him? If you fancy what he does, more power to you, but I thought his playing abominable, and at the time, I’d never heard of him, so had no preconceived notions. He was opening (as a flute player, not a dancer) for Battlefield Band some years back. ---
**Author:** ![Rob\_Sharer](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/rob_sharer/32/1241_2.png) [@Rob\_Sharer](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Rob_Sharer)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 6:48pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/26 "2008-05-08T18:48:59Z")
My opinion doesn’t enter into it. You may not like him, but he certainly can play or he wouldn’t have won the Fleadh, now, would he? Words like “worst” and “abominable” tell me you’ve confused your own opinion with a realistic assessment of Flatley’s skills, as proven in fierce competition. Maybe you don’t like his style - why not just say that, rather than trying to imply that he can’t play? Anyone can see that he’s a accomplished player, whether he’s tasteful or not. Cheers, Rob ---
**Author:** ![kennychaffin](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/kennychaffin/32/1553_2.png) [@kennychaffin](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/kennychaffin)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 6:53pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/27 "2008-05-08T18:53:41Z")
> [@Rob Sharer](#): > > My opinion doesn’t enter into it. You may not like him, but he certainly can play or he wouldn’t have won the Fleadh, now, would he? Words like “worst” and “abominable” tell me you’ve confused your own opinion with a realistic assessment of Flatley’s skills, as proven in fierce competition. Maybe you don’t like his style - why not just say that, rather than trying to imply that he can’t play? Anyone can see that he’s a accomplished player, whether he’s tasteful or not. Cheers, > > > Rob Have you seen American Idol? or any of the bazillion rip off duplicates. They have winners too. 🙂 KAC ---
**Author:** ![Cubitt](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/cubitt/32/1356_2.png) [@Cubitt](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Cubitt)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 6:54pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/28 "2008-05-08T18:54:36Z")
> [@Rob Sharer](#): > > My opinion doesn’t enter into it. You may not like him, but he certainly can play or he wouldn’t have won the Fleadh, now, would he? Words like “worst” and “abominable” tell me you’ve confused your own opinion with a realistic assessment of Flatley’s skills, as proven in fierce competition. Maybe you don’t like his style - why not just say that, rather than trying to imply that he can’t play? Anyone can see that he’s a accomplished player, whether he’s tasteful or not. Cheers, > > > Rob I take your point. He’s an accomplished player whose taste and style I do not recommend. ---
**Author:** ![kennychaffin](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/kennychaffin/32/1553_2.png) [@kennychaffin](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/kennychaffin)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 7:09pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/29 "2008-05-08T19:09:54Z")
Some discussion here: [http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?t=27908&view=next](http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?t=27908&view=next) and [http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/16472/comments](http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/16472/comments) KAC ---
**Author:** ![mahanpots](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/mahanpots/32/1469_2.png) [@mahanpots](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/mahanpots)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 1:06am UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/30 "2008-05-09T01:06:55Z")
[Michael Flatley on flute](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCWw27UqvCQ) Sounds pretty good to me. Fast forward for some faster playing. It starts out slow. Michael ---
**Author:** ![Loren](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/loren/32/65_2.png) [@Loren](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Loren)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 1:32am UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/31 "2008-05-09T01:32:18Z")
> [@mahanpots](#): > > [Michael Flatley on flute](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCWw27UqvCQ) OK Cubitt, your turn: Show us what you’ve got that makes Flatley seem like such a lousy player. 😈 Loren ---
**Author:** ![Rob\_Sharer](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/rob_sharer/32/1241_2.png) [@Rob\_Sharer](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Rob_Sharer)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 3:37am UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/32 "2008-05-09T03:37:51Z")
> [@kennychaffin](#): > > Have you seen American Idol? or any of the bazillion rip off duplicates. They have winners too. 🙂 > > KAC I pray, for your sake, that you’re not equating A.I. with the Fleadh. If C.C.E. gets wind of this, you’ll be off the Christmas list and out of the will for sure. ---
**Author:** ![kennychaffin](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/kennychaffin/32/1553_2.png) [@kennychaffin](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/kennychaffin)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 10:36am UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/33 "2008-05-09T10:36:42Z")
> [@Rob Sharer](#): > > > [@kennychaffin](#): > > > > Have you seen American Idol? or any of the bazillion rip off duplicates. They have winners too. 🙂 > > > > KAC > > I pray, for your sake, that you’re not equating A.I. with the Fleadh. If C.C.E. gets wind of this, you’ll be off the Christmas list and out of the will for sure. 🙂 Only in the sense that they are both contests an in the sense that winning a contest like getting a H.S. Diploma doesn’t necessarily say anything. Like the lion chasing two explorers, to survive one doesn’t have to outrun the lion, just outrun the other guy… KAC ---
**Author:** ![Cubitt](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/cubitt/32/1356_2.png) [@Cubitt](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Cubitt)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 4:42pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/34 "2008-05-09T16:42:57Z")
> [@Loren](#): > > > [@mahanpots](#): > > > > [Michael Flatley on flute](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCWw27UqvCQ) > > OK Cubitt, your turn: Show us what you’ve got that makes Flatley seem like such a lousy player. 😈 > > > > > Loren I freely admit that was quite good. Funny thing is, when I saw him, he played the same thing and it was awful, as was most of what he played that night. Since this arrangement is the one Matt Malloy plays, if he had played it like he does here, I would never have had such a bad impression. Now, I know anyone can have a bad night, but my impression of him is also based on some recordings I’ve heard, the tune he plays on Feet of Flames, and the fact that, even here, he does these annoying (to me) trills on slow tunes that drive me up the wall. So, although I guess I stand corrected, I did have a basis for my opinion. My guess is that sometimes his ego may be stronger than his aesthetic sense, and he overloads his playing (at least at times) to the point of becoming too much. ---
**Author:** ![Aanvil](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/aanvil/32/1186_2.png) [@Aanvil](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Aanvil)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 7:45pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/35 "2008-05-09T19:45:18Z")
Mr. Flatly plays well enough for sure. I have always felt he got a bad rap. Leaping about in heavy eye makeup will to that for a chap. I learned his version of An Chúilfhionn aka _Whispering Winds_ according to him. Its a nice variation. ---
**Author:** ![Jayhawk](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/jayhawk/32/298_2.png) [@Jayhawk](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Jayhawk)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 8:09pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/36 "2008-05-09T20:09:02Z")
There is far too much Flately love going on here…I feel obliged to post a bit of reality to remedy the situation: ![](http://www.malli-p.de/Mallis_Welt/Bilder2/Michael_Flatley/Michael_Floete.jpg) ![](http://members.home.nl/elfellen/Michael.jpg) ![](http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/205000/images/_208453_MICHAEL_FLATLEY_ON_STAGE300.JPG) I hope you’re able to sleep well tonight, because those images will be haunting me… As shown above, flute playing talent does not correlate with taste. Eric ---
**Author:** ![kennychaffin](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/kennychaffin/32/1553_2.png) [@kennychaffin](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/kennychaffin)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 8:15pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/37 "2008-05-09T20:15:05Z")
> [@Jayhawk](#): > > There is far too much Flately love going on here… > > Eric Yeah, let’s get back to spit dripping out of flutes… KAC ---
**Author:** ![Aanvil](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/aanvil/32/1186_2.png) [@Aanvil](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Aanvil)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 10:06pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/38 "2008-05-09T22:06:03Z")
> [@kennychaffin](#): > > > [@Jayhawk](#): > > > > There is far too much Flately love going on here… > > > > Eric > > Yeah, let’s get back to spit dripping out of flutes… > > KAC We aren’t too far off. We went from spit to sap. I think we should all dress like that at sessions. Should really kick things up ay? ---
**Author:** ![mahanpots](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/mahanpots/32/1469_2.png) [@mahanpots](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/mahanpots)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 10:53pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/39 "2008-05-09T22:53:59Z")
Michael who? ![](http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm14/mahanpots/Michaelwho.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Bradshaw](https://chiffandfipplewww.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/www.chiffandfipple.com/jack_bradshaw/32/449_2.png) [@Jack\_Bradshaw](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/u/Jack_Bradshaw)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 11:38pm UTC](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048/40 "2008-05-09T23:38:06Z")
Well, as I’ve said, there is more than one way to play a tune…and M. Flately has a wide range of expression, and often uses it… The flute in that video is the one he told me was found in 4 separate pieces in 4 separate pubs…cute story the way he tells it…we were comparing it to my M&E Rudall at the time (which he claimed he had no idea even existed) Go figure! [Previous page](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048.md?page=1) [Next page](https://www.chiffandfipple.com/t/condensation-in-the-flute-bore-advice-needed/56048.md?page=3)