"bouncy" jig rhythm.

I am somewhat new at the pennywhistle, but when i play jigs, i cant get them to “bounce” with that tongueing pattern other players use. I would really like to learn it. Here is a link with a soundclip so you can hear this “bounce” i speak of http://www.rogermillington.com/siamsa/brosteve/clips/jacksonsmistake.mp3
if anyone could help m as to give a few pointers about achieving this, it would be awesome :slight_smile:
thanks
-chris

Well, Brother Steve (StevieJ), from whose website you got the clip will probably stop by and give you more competent advices. But I would say mostly: listen. Listen to jigs (played properly, avoid Clips & Snips) all day. Learn to play them by ear and try to play along exactly.

Did you play a classical instrument before? If so, try not tonguing (like Bro Steve does), but using only cuts & taps to separate same-pitch notes. Once you’ve got it down, you can add tonguing back in.

Oh, and I forgot: Go slow. When you learn jigs by ear (don’t learn them any other way until you have the bouncy rhythm), slow the music down using Trascribe! or Amazing Slowdowner or something.

Oh ive already figured it out by ear, i can play it just not with the bouncyness i would like, i can recognize the notes very easily but i just cant get the rhytm right. and no i never played a classical instrument before. i learned the bagpipes as a kid but could only play it half-assed. and i decided to take up the tinwhistle about a year ago.

The jig feel and the reel feel take time. i remember i played at my church talent show a month after i had began playing, gezz. i played donnybrook fair, and everyone liked it, but if anyone who actually knew what a jig should have sounded like would ahve laughed. over time you will start to create ryhthms and your own style of playing.
andrew cassidy

If that particular style of tonguing in jig playing interests you, I’d suggest listening hard to the following:

Mary Bergin, and Sean Potts and Paddy Moloney, who are very good examples of this “ha-ta-ta” technique.

I don’t know how I started using that technique to play jigs on the whistle - it was unconscious at all events. It may have been from listening to the above players for years before I even started playing the whistle seriously, or it may have been a transfer of a widely used fiddle technique (slur into the downbeat, bow the next two notes separately).

As far as the tonguing goes, there is one essential element that I have realized since writing those pages - to get that sound in a jig, the tongue is not only used to attack the notes. It is also used to STOP the first note of a group of three - stop it dead, a nanosecond before attacking the second. Then the third comes very hard on the heels of the second. Haah-tuh-taa_aah-tuh-tah…

Describing it this way may not actually help you to get it. I can only second Bloomfield’s remarks about listening incessantly. In my experience, once you really have a sound that you’re after in your head, then your body will sooner or later find a way to produce it much more effectively than when you try to follow someone else’s “do this, then do that” instructions.

There are other ways to articulate these notes of course, using “taps” or possibly cuts for one, and using a flute-player’s throat articulation for another. Neither of which work very well for me.

HTH
Steve

Try shutting yer eyes, and imagine yer watching somebody dance the jig,
waltz or whatever.

Works for me, and also stops me playing too fast, especially jigs, which have a tendancy to get faster ‘n’ faster the longer they are played - well they do when we play 'em :smiling_imp:

My 2p’s worth :slight_smile:
HTH

To nail a difficult rhythm, sometimes I find it beneficial if I slow a tune down by 2/3s or so (I mean like playing a jig at a slow air pace). Then start playing it faster and faster until you find the rhythm you’re looking for starts to disappear, then back off a little and hold it at that as-fast-as-I-can-play-this-rhythm-without-sounding-like-crap speed. Do that for a while and you’ll probably find that the tempo creeps upward until you’re where you want to be.

It’s easiest if you have a metronome to do this with.

Cheers,

PC

Thanks for your posts and support guys, I sat down and played for maybe an hour or so, I sort of have it but not as i’d liek it yet but eventually i know it will come. thanks again guys, its appreciated.