Blackwood sensitization

Yep. I’ve got it. Playing the polymer M&E for a time while waiting for my blackwood Williams to be reheaded, I thought that maybe it was just a case of friction against my lip after all. Well, flute whore that I am, I also received a body and six headjoints from Peter Noy to try out this Thursday (attempt at a review soon to come), and that evening the burn, redness and blistering were unmistakeable. Fortunately Pete installs silver lip plates. I will DEFINITELY be needing that if I want to play blackwood flutes!

Anyone else with issues similar to this? Other woods? Your solutions?

Welcome to the club, Nano :wink:

Claudine’s Hammy, with silver lip-plate, looks awfully pretty: go check it out on the Flute Porn thread.

Maybe you can look at this as an opportunity for a little flamboyant self-expression, rather than inhibitory inflammation. Or something.

Sorry. Good luck.

Saw it. Great work. That solution may be one of my choices for the FrankenWilliams, or have Noy do it.

Maybe you can look at this as an opportunity for a little flamboyant self-expression, rather than inhibitory inflammation. Or something.

I’ll hit the ground running. :laughing:

Sorry. Good luck.

Thanks.

I’ve never heard of a boxwood allergy. Plus it has so much more character than blackwood – I like the sound, feel, look, and smell of it much more.

A different character, anyway. :slight_smile:

I’m a fan of blackwood for my own reasons; I don’t think it’s better or worse. I’m also a glutton for punishment, it seems. I tried a bandaid under my lip but it made control near impossible, so I said to heck with it and played unguarded testing out the two headjoints that my choices had narrowed down to; the result to my skin was more dramatic than I expected. This is the nature of sensitization (it’s not an allergy, actually): it gets worse with repeated contact, and so the lip plate is a must, now.

Anyway, I won’t test any more. I think I know what the choice will be. Time now to give it a rest.

Maybe someday I’ll be a boxwood convert. For now, the iron’s in the fire.

Which one of the heads worked best for you?
How do you like the flute?
I had it about a month ago.

I think it’s awful for all those folks who are so allergic to blackwood . . . but . . . is it REALLY worth the trouble? Chas (et al.) mention boxwood, which does seem to be hypoallergenic (and timber, not like hypoallergenic and Delrin!).

I feel like. . . nay, I know, I’ve heard a lot of people talking about really nasty allergies to blackwood. You’ve got to remember that historically, and I know this is controversial, but according to a lot of the history . . . blackwood didn’t take over because it was any better than cocus or ebony tonally. It was(is) just damn durable, and really plentiful. There are a lot of timbers that are nice, and less irritating.

I just hate to hear about people suffering for what seems like a questionable reason. I really don’t mean to be saying that people’s opinions about blackwood are incorrect; that’s ridiculous. If you love the timber, you love the timber. But yeesh. I guess I like so many of the other options so much that I have never thought blackwood would be worth the trouble.

By no means do I mean to start a flame war. I’ve just been thinking about it, and it just bothers me. :slight_smile: That’s all. Go ahead and love blackwood! Ignore my intrusion.

Stuart

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I’m allergic to blackwood too, so what I do is the super-glue thingy whom Rod Cameron suggested to John Skelton:

http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?t=6256&highlight=flute+skelton+allergy

So far I did it on my Murray flute to great success, and I play it everyday without having any reactions at all.

A couple of weeks back I stupidly tried giving my blackwood Grinter a blow. (cos it was about to be sold, and I wanted to have a go at it) Unfortunately just a very short while on it, two separate days, was enough to trigger the allergy again. The lip was swollen and I had to stay off fluteplaying for a couple of days cos my embouchure was gone. Back to applying allergy cream. I’m definitely not going to buy anymore blackwood flutes again. (which isnt such a bad thing, I figure)

I have to agree with Stuart here. I have a lot of allergies to alot of things; fortunately, no reaction to any flute woods. For eg., I love cats, but I simply can’t have one, 'cuz then I’ll die. Have to turn down parties where cats live, too, even if they’re stashed away in back room, because their dander is still there. I can’t eat a lot of foods, either, many of which I love; sometimes I go for it and pay later. But, ultimately, how much do I want to suffer, for how many days, for a bite of something, or to hang out at a party till my lungs collapse?

The point is, while there’s a lot to be said for blackwood, or cocus, or whatever wood it is that you react to, sometimes things have to be appreciated from afar. If my lips were swelling from blackwood, a lip plate might solve the problem. But what if, a few months later, it’s your fingertips that begin to itch and swell? Silver plated holes? By the time you’re done, your silver-plated flute will be a silver flute and weigh a ton. I’m joking, but sometimes, you just can’t own a cat.

Boxwood and blackwood are very different flute woods from each other, and I can see why one might be preferred over the other (either way), for a number of aesthetic and sonic reasons. But when you can play a flute without concern over reactions or adding preventative plates, etc., it’s a wonderfully simple thing, and it’s not as if you don’t have other attributes to appreciate with the chosen, hypoallergenic wood.

If blackwood’s a real problem, another wood is probably your best choice, lip plates aside. It may take some re-thinking, but sooner or later, you’ll probably love the other wood (boxwood; it’s the other white meat) for a new host of reasons, be it boxwood, cocus, mopane, etc.

Gordon

John Skelton developed a reaction to his Cocus wood Olwell. Right now he’s putting a layer of cyanoacrylate (superglue) down to act as a temporary lip plate until Olwell can make one for his flute.

I think someone else here (Loren?) metioned trying the samething but without success.

Now I’m getting paranoid! I hadn’t heard you could develop a sensitivity to blackwood. Luckily I tend to be pretty unreactive to most items, except cats.

Eddie

The lip plate solution concerns me somewhat. If you are allergic to a certain wood, you are allergic all over. The lips may be somewhat more sensitive because of the thinner skin there, but the hands will eventually react with repeated exposure. Each additional exposure increases your risk of anaphylaxis, which can kill you. I just don’t think it’s worth it.

Having said that, everyone with wood sensitivities should immediately get their flutes to me! :party:

Dana

For the vast majority of people a lip plate is just enough for preventing
allergic reactions, as the chin seems to be the only part of the body that
comes easily in conctact with the oily substances of the wood.

When I begun playing my cocus flute I was becoming paranoic as Woody Allen,
because I was suspecting to have an allergy (I even felt itchyness on chin and
arms for a week or so!) - that luckily I don’t have!

I’ve read that virtually all high-quality flutes were made of boxwood until post-mounted keys became common. Craftsmen found that blackwood and cocus were better woods for tapping threaded holes. I dunno as I agree with this, having tapped woods that are not as tight-grained as boxwood. OTOH, I don’t know that I’ve ever seen post-mounted keys on a boxwood flute.

Charlie, look at the last page of flute porn.

Eilam, I’ll be posting a review, hopefully with pix (I want to show some of the options that Peter offers, too). In the interest of heightened drama, I’ll indicate my choice then, so hold onto your hat! :laughing:

Sturob, I hear you. Why indeed? Looks, stability, and tone. If boxwood weren’t prone to warpage fluctuations and were more resinous, it might well have been the choice for me. Anyway, at least a lip plate looks sharp as well as solving sensitization issues! Vanity, vanity…

Nothing like proof-by-contradiction. :slight_smile: That’s one lovely flute, very different from my wife’s Casey.

And given the phrasing of that sentence, Chas, be thankful Casey’s name isn’t Johnson.

Struck me as funny, 's all. :slight_smile:

Stuart

:laughing: That was a good one sturob

nano, I wonder if oiling in and out (including the embouchure) with bore oil will do the trick?