Best Low D Whistle???????

I think Amar is right - Finbar Furey had Bernard Overton make the first low whistles for him. I remember him in Edinburgh in the '70s: I saw him play a low G (I think) in the pub, and I thought it was great, so I bought an Overton A which I still have - actually I bought 2 of them, though I can’t remember why, and I still have both.

I have owned Shaw low D which I hated (it gave me cramp in my right hand - I gave it away), and I have both Burke and Alba low Ds, which I like equally well. My Grinter F is a favourite too.

I find the Overtons (and the family descended from them) too prone to clogging, and they have a bit too much back-pressure for me. but in the right hands they can sound fabulous.

true!

agreed. :slight_smile:

I don’t know if I have played more low D’s than anyone on this board or not, but I have played a LOT of them. I also have a VERY critical critic in my wife. After having more than a dozen come through our home the two that have remained are my Goldie Overton and Mopani Bleazey. Others came close in sound and such, but something about these two just tripped our trigger.

The best whistles do not come from pakistain or India.

The best on the market is the Entropy Low D. Good thing cost is not a factor though, they sell for around $500,000.00 US. Just disregard the Dixon label. :laughing:

Seriously, it depends on what you want. The ones that have the most vocal following (and detractors) around here are the Overton, the Chieftain/Kerry, and the Burke. I own a Dixon, and have become rather fond of it. But when I was researching low D makers, I was specifically looking for one that would accommodate a beginning player, not an experienced one. Everything I’ld read led me to believe that the Dixon was the best choice based on that criterion. It doesn’t matter how well the whistle is made, if the person playing it can’t use it to it’s full potential. Then again, there’s something to be said for buying a whistle that you can grow into. It just depends on what you want.

I have learnt through expensive experiment that what is ‘sauce for the goose is not necessarily sauce for the gander’ so to speak. I bought an Overton Low D as my very first whistle…I didn’t know about C&F at the time so did not seek advice. I ended up getting rid of it and moved into high Ds and some Fs and Gs and gort on well with them. A few weeks ago I decided to go for another Low D. Just before the Kerry Low D songbird came out…I have the high D and love it so had I not bought sooner I couold have ended up with one of them. However, I bought the new Dixon aluminium Low D. The fact I can manage the fingering well enough to play reels etc will, in part at least , be down to more experience but since I got it I have never looked back…could be described as a little ‘quiet’ I prefer ‘subtle’ and I love the tone. £85 and well worth it..when I play a slow tune I can really get it to sing and it moves from octave to octave more by ‘focus’ than by heavy blowing…it may not be for the ‘experts’ but , for me it’s the best thing since the proverbial ‘sliced bread’. So do be careful…it’s what will suit you that is important. Les.

Gee this thread is annoying. A newcomer asks a straightforward question and only about one in every five answers, at best, is helpful. Of course what is best is going to differ from person to person but we can and should report what we like, why we like it, what it has over other well-liked brands and also (honestly) what the consensus of opinion is amongst those who know whistles—ie those who have tried a large number and haven’t lost credibility by raving about the same brand all the time.

First: the Lonesome Boatman. Finbar Furey used to play a Pakistani Bamboo whistle but met Bernard Overton at about the time it was falling apart—the whistle not the boatman. Bernard reinvented the low whistle and the rest is history. Do you have a date for the original recording of that track? It would either be the bamboo whistle or, as Amar suggested, an early Overton I would think.

Now for some suggestions. Copeland has a very flutey sound, is relatively easy to finger and has very little backpressure which means you’ll get a note easily but run out of breath fairly quickly. It even has a bit of flute ‘bark’ about it when played well. Overtons are not just the originals but, for your dollar, still probably the best. The sound we mostly associate with low whistle is the Overton sound—rich in overtones, ethereal, good volume. They are also as consistently good as a whistle gets. The standard Overton has a lot of backpressure so a breath will carry you a long way but you will have to lean into it, especially on the higher notes. Colin Goldie can make you whistles that have less backpressure but there will be trade offs. Ring him if you want to go with an Overton.

Burke’s get consistently good press. They are purer than most but if you want richer overtones than the purest Burkes, go for a composite. Others can tell you more about Burke low Ds; I have a very pure sounding AlPro low G with just a hint of chiff. Reyburns are also good. To my ears they are a bit like Copelands but without the complexity—the bark but not the growl. You can get them with offset holes which some people prefer for ease of fingering but which throw me off.

Grinters are great low whistles. The low F has the reputation—fully deserved—but I can’t imagine the low Ds would be anything short of excellent. Being all wood, they require a bit more maintenance but they are truely beautifully balanced whistles with a lovely complex sound. I’ve heard them described as wooden Overtons. This isn’t quite correct, they don’t have as much backpressure and the sound is subtly different. Le Coants have fans who are knowledgable as do Bleazeys but I can’t comment on them from personal experience.

Finally, if you want a cheapie that still sounds good, try a Howard. Susato highs are good; the lows are less so—mainly they are just a bit short on character. A Howard has something of the Overton sound but is a bit less focussed. It also has large holes which can be a bit daunting for a newbie.

The whistles I’ve mentioned are probably the low whistles that get more consistently good reviews from those who are not simply promoters of one brand than any others. If a person isn’t doing a comparison—and I mean specifics, the pluses and minuses—they really aren’t telling you anything other than ‘I’m promoting this whistle.’ Big deal.

I hope this has been a bit more helpful, along with the comments of Amar and Les and one or two others.

I’ll plead guilty to being a bit flippant at first - I quite honestly thought it was one of the regulars having us on.

But give me a few points for attempting a serious answer once I got over my suspicion, especially since if you’re not a one-maker-only fanatic this isn’t an easy question. (And edges perilously close to being the perfect troll for this board).

Give the folks some credit - I suspect there would have been a lot less leg-pulling and more helpful responses if the question had been “What’s a good Low Whistle to start with? Within reason, money’s not an object.”

I give you plenty of points. Your post was one of the genuinely helpful ones. I just lost track of who had made teh earlier helpful posts. If everyone had made comparisons as you did there would have been a lot of worthwhile stuff to go by after a page or two.

You could, of course, be right about the trolling. (That’s a question I might have asked as a newbie, BTW.) If so then I’d be even angrier about the sorry state we’ve descended to. If we’ve got to the stage where we can’t even discuss whistles in measured comparative terms, then I wonder what point this board serves. Naturally, the people who’ve been around the longest eventually get fed up with answering stock beginner’s questions. But those who’ve been around for a year or two should be in a postion to pass on the knowledge. What annoys me is the loud lobby group actively trying to subvert it.

Thanks a mil guys, all the advice is much appreciated…
Its looking like I will prob go for the Overton, it seems to be the safest bet!..

First: the Lonesome Boatman. Finbar Furey used to play a Pakistani Bamboo whistle but met Bernard Overton at about the time it was falling apart—the whistle not the boatman. Bernard reinvented the low whistle and the rest is history. Do you have a date for the original recording of that track? It would either be the bamboo whistle or, as Amar suggested, an early Overton I would think.


I’m interested in finding out which whistle Finbar played The Lonesome Boatman on the album called ‘Alcoholidays’ as it sounds really well…
Can anybody verify for sure that it was actually the Low D he used???

I simply don’t know. Here’s a suggestion. Why not PM Colin Goldie? Since he knows Bernard Overton better than anyone else here, he’s your best bet. The quickest way to get onto him might be to PM his wife, Brigitte. (That’s her user name here by the way.)

I just listened to the Bonesome Loatman; I have it on the Best of Finbar & Eddie Furey and on I Live Not Where I Live. Sounds to me like the Indian bamboo whiste, which I read somewhere was an Ab or something of that sort. It doesn’t sound like a low D and doesn’t have the Overton hum to my ear. But it is almost impossible to tell on a commercial recording since you don’t know what they did to it. And your recording may be a later, different one.

Finbar has a webpage I think. I’d email him. Let us know if you do find out.

Just found out that it was played on a Low G Overton whistle…

A lot of whistles were mentioned in this topic and the overton sounds like the most popular whistle..
Has anyone heard of or owns an Ian Lambe whistle.
Irish made in county Clare..
Certainly very attractive looking, has anybody any opinion on them or know what they are like?

http://homepage.tinet.ie/~mirian/ilambe/

I just ordered a Copeland from Song of the Sea. Ann said they still have one left.

Cillian O Briain low whistles are D best out there…Not sure if he’s still making them though. He’s up to his eyeballs with orders for uilleann pipes, apparently…

Erm, I’ve got a very nice Alba low D for sale at the moment…Nudge, nudge.

Quite some time ago I posted a comparative review of the Lambe and O’Briain Low D whistles for Whistle and Drum. That review was a bit too detailed probably, so I’ll sum up. The Lambe, while visually striking, did not at all impress me as to either tone or playability. The O’Briain, equally stunning though in a more Spartan way in appearance, has a really nice tone and I kept that one for myself (paid for).

The O’Briain has a deep reedy low end; it is a bit reedier than but much like the Burke Viper in tonal qualities, but for me a bit more difficult to play at speed. I like the sound of the O’Briain about as much as my Viper and Copeland and O’Riordan, but it is the most difficult for me to handle.

And yes, I’d love to round out my collection with an Overton tuneable low D.

Philo

If I were wanting a low D whistle, I would get me one from Erle Bartlett of Syn Whistles. I have seen and heard some of his brass beauties recently, both big tone hole and small tone hole varieties. I have heard and seen a lot but not better than this. However I am not sure whether they are tunable. They have black delrin mouthpiece.

Good Luck! :slight_smile: