Bag replacement

Hey all;

Over the last year I’d thought that I was losing muscle mass. It took more and more air to keep the pipes playing. Over this last winter my set got ah… cantankerous, shall we say? I was exhausting myself and my use of the drones was decreasing.

Yesterday I spent some time and checked everything for leaks, and using skill, wit, verve and a whole bunch of string plugged those pesky leaks. After all that an enormous amount of air was still required to play with the drones and I was beginning to despair. Friends laughed and pointed when I tried to use the drones because of my ridiculously flappy right arm,
pumping and pumping and pumping. Frustrated that nothing was working, I checked the bag itself. Oh, I’d known that there was a small leak in the bag that I couldn’t track down but I figured it couldn’t amount to much at all. But there was still that flappy right arm requirement, plus the gallons of sweat coming off me when I tried to play a nice slow air.

I remembered that I had another bag from a practise set I’d lent out a year or so ago. The guy I’d lent it to had given it back to me days before I’d moved and I’d simply forgotten about it. I went downstairs, opened the trunk of many things and grabbed my old bag. It’s larger than the one I’ve been using and I wasn’t sure if size would matter. (It does. No, really.)

So I carefully took the mainstock off my old bag, even more carefully cut the hole for the mainstock on the old/new bag and futzed about with tying it on. Unnerving. Worse by far was replacing the little wooden bit at the mouth of the bag. Leaks galore, I tells ya. More futzing and two very sore hands later, no leaks. I was proud, and danced a happy little dance.

Then I tried the set. Things were much better, but awkward. “Ah”, thunk I, “the connecting tube (kinda like the internets but more rubbery) is too short.” I cut a new, longer piece out of what I had left from the last time I replaced the intertubual link and tried that out. Holy mackerel (and other, less well known sacred fish) what a difference. Thus far I’m sure most of you are thinking “Well big whoop, dude, you replaced your bag and are all agog. Nice for you. Why are you telling us this?” Here’s the reason.

I’m a tall, skinny Person of a Certain Gender (6’2" and 165 lbs) and the pipes were built by a short, solid Person of aforementioned Gender. Putting a new bag on the set has suddenly made things much more comfortable; my hands aren’t hovering slightly above my crotch any more and I’m not having to hold the chanter like… well you get the visual. Not that I’m… uh… anyway. So the reason I’m writing all this is because it struck me that other isolated pipers may well be playing on sets either much too big or much too small for them. I can sit up straight and play now, my right leg isn’t curled sixteen feet back any more and suddenly my left hand is sitting lightly and comfortably right where it should be. I’d had a lot of troubles with my c finger’s placement; no matter how I held the chanter it felt awkward and uncertain. Now it’s sitting right on the hole. Nnnnnnnnice.

So check to make sure your set is properly set up for your size and shape. I wish I’d known about this a long time ago. (Actually, I did. It had been suggested that I needed a new setup, but having nothing to compare it to, I let well enough alone. My original practise set was so long ago I’d forgotten about it. If you’re rolling your eyes at my stupidity, so am I.) I’ve actually been having little fits of joy alternating with big fits of frustration; my hands and arms and back are all trying to assume the original position of hunching over a tiny set when I am not really all that tiny. Mentally yes, physically not so much.

Yours, working on not going back to the bad old habits;


Mark

I don’t think your article there was a waste of time, as I am myself pretty much, an isolated piper. There are a couple other pipers in my area, but it’s not like I can see them on a daily basis either. Anyway, I’ve only been at it a year, and with the addition of the drones, I’ve discovered a whole new can of worms. I’m pretty sure my set isn’t set up for my physique. I’m about 6’ skinny, topping the scales at a whopping 140 pounds. I’m fairly certain my blowpipe length is too short, which leads me to my next curiosity.. bag size. I’ve read all the arguements about bag size, some swear smaller bags are the way to go, then there are those who say it isn’t necessarily the size, but rather how comfortable the bag sits under your arm. Being a fairly tall guy, with long arms, I’m thinking about the big Tim Britton size bag, seeing that I’ll have better leverage, and I won’t have to squeeze as hard… but then again, is it my short blowpipe which is (as I discovered with the add-on of the drones) pulling the bag under and out from my arm pit? It’s problems like that which plague my mind and leaves me with feelings of uncertainty. I suppose I could give the ol’ trial and error a go, but with my budget, and with the cost of piping supplies, I’m rather leary of taking that route.

Either way, I still play the damn things because I just love them so much, but even so, I’d like to make things as bearable as I possibly can.

Cheers,

Hey Key o’ D;

I don’t know about you, but with the bag I replaced, I noticed that the neck of the bag was often in a more or less ‘s’ shape. Having a larger bag put that ‘s’ into more of a straight line. (Thinking about it, it’s more about the longer neck than the size of the bag.) That helped a lot with ease of play. As well - and I think this is a height thing - putting the longer blowpipe on allowed the bag to sit more under my arm and the bellows to sit farther back, more under my elbow, or at least more comfortably against my ribs. I’d gotten used to the edge of the lower plate of the bellows rubbing up against the rolled brass around the mainstock, and now it’s a good distance away. When I first tried out the new setup, the drones didn’t actually touch my leg at all, they just floated about. I put the hose on because I thought maybe that would help lower the drones. It did, but it really helped with the chanter placement.

As to the expense, I completely understand. Really I do. That said, I bought about six feet of hose from an automotive place; it’s standard 1/2" heater hose. I don’t think these things are universal so you might want to compare your blowpipe with anything you decide to replace it with. It was cheap(ish) at less than $20 CDN. I got a ridiculous amount because I knew I’d be fiddling about with it. But I’d been so used to a short blowpipe that I cut that first one really short. Putting the longer length on was a ‘what the heck, I’ve done all this other stuff’ kind of thing. Putting the new/old bag on the set was a calculated risk; I figured that I might as well give it a try, I already had the bag and I could always retie the mainstock if the new/old bag didn’t work out.

When I first got this half set I thought that using a shoulderstrap would eliminate a lot of the weight problems associated with the drones, but I stopped using it one day when I forgot the strap at home and wasn’t about to go back to get it. After a few minutes there was no problem at all with holding the set. It just takes time to get used to their weight and the way they pull the bag around. You probably already know this, though.

I, too, am poor, isolated, love the pipes and can’t really get enough of them. Plug away man. Enjoy your playing. I know I do.

Mark

Good on you Mark,

Well I’m fairly certain my blowpipe length is too short, cause when I have the bag tucked nicely under my arm, the bellows isn’t properly positioned under my elbow, and really just feels awkward. And visa versa, when the bellows is nicely under my elbow, the bag feels way off course, so I’m gonna try a longer blow pipe before I drop the $$$ on a new bag. By the way I play a Seth Gallagher style bag from L&M, great bag I must say, after one year of some serious squeezing it’s like new it seems.

Cheers,

Hey again;

Both bags that I have are L&M, but the first one developed a leak. I think it’s because when I first got the half set I was placing waaaay too much pressure on the bag. But hey, live and learn, right?

Mark

Uilliam

Ah, yes, the Uilleann Pipes… the Spitfire of the musical world.


Mark

Thanks for the interesting and helpful thread gentlemen. Getting your piping equipment arranged for the size of your body is critical, in my humble opinion.

I found the neck of my bag far too short. I lengthened it with a piece of plastic tubing and a metal connector piece from the Home Depot plumbing department. A picture of this extender-arrangement can be seen at the first of a number of pictures I posted on August 21, 2007 on page 104 of the Picture of Your Pipes thread. Although this arrangement looks a bit gerry-rigged, it has improved my left hand placement on the chanter and made playing with the drones a great deal more comfortable. It is easy to experiment with this kind of thing and is very inexpensive. I would encourage it until you can obtain a bag of a more appropriate size and dimension.

Sorry, I should have just given you the image rather than have you hunt for it:

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My L&M bag just started leaking a few weeks ago. It was only 7 years old. I placed a call to L&M and they told me that is the average life expectancy for a bag nowadays. I say bullshit to that.

:smiley:
they just dont make elks like they used to.

it’s these young elks, they think they know it all, then go out and party, get tattooed, next thing ya know they’re cruisin the interstate lookin for a couple of does & BAM!

So only the wimpy stay-at-home geeky elks get the honour of becoming a pipebag anymore.
(sigh) wot’s it all come to??? :blush:

Bruce Childress told me the other day that good Elk-tanned bag leather is getting harder to come by. Apparently piping is the only market for it. The MacHarg bag on his personal set (that I got to play, yipee) is 15 years old and he said it’s just starting to get a wee bit porous. Felt fine to me. Hopefully a good supply can be found, and stuff that’ll last longer than 7 years…sheesh.

Hm.. all I need is a hunting license, an elk tag, a .30-06, and a bull elk…

Then it’s all over except for mixing the elk’s brain and the urine you’ve saved over the last several weeks, smooshing that stuff all over the skin, laying it in a puddle for a week or two, then stretching, drying and scraping… oh yea then there’s the long slow cure, the careful stitching and then hey presto you got yourself a traditonal bag.

Yep. Simple.

Mark

One man’s difficult is another man’s simple.

Cheers,

Where do ye actually buy the L&M Bag.Their site doesnae sell retail.NPU havnae got anything relating to bags in their siopa can’t find anything on the net?? :confused: so maybe ye do have to oot an shoot a moose..anyone know?Thanks
Uilliam

I would try Michael Mac Harg @ http://www.vermontel.net/~weepiper respectfully,wub

Thankye kindly wub
Uilliam

Uilliam,De nada,wub

Tim britton,has em.