American Idol...alas

There are a couple of other factors. I have certainly listened to the judges’ comments and wondering if they saw the same performance I did. Well, it turns out that their remarks are based to some extent on the dress rehearsals. They don’t just listen to someone for 30 seconds and prepare their remarks right then and there. Also, the sound is somewhat different live than it is over the airwaves. And they did criticize Carrie’s pitch a few times.

Most importantly, though, is what Weeks pointed out. There’s a big difference between having a good voice and good pitch and being a good singer. Carrie has good phrasing, good interpretation, and IMO amazing versatility. The fat guy has a good voice, but that’s about it. Carrie is consistently sharp when she’s screaming out high notes, but that’s something that can be easily (well, with some effort) worked out with voice lessons. The innate sense of music that she has is something that’s very difficult to teach or learn.

I’m still irked at Simon pretty much giving away the results before the show even started! :moreevil:

Should I even get started on Simon? I mean, the guy is very inconsistent and prone to either over-praise or over-condemn. At times he seems concise, but other times he seems like a cliché of a temperamental woman having a bad hair day (which is true every day of the year for him). And I have to say, no matter how many times my workmate (who is a big-time fan of the show from the beginning) tells me that Simon is a record company bigwig, he strikes me as a second-tier bagman, lacking in real enterpeneurialship but big on being a yes-man to whatever the boss says. He’s like the little Chihuahua that follows the bulldog around on those cartoons to me. But suddenly, he is in power and flounders with the authority given him.

But the biggest help in understanding Simon is to look for the visual clues. How can I take any grown man seriously whose wardrobe consists of one designer gray t-shirt (occasionally worn with a blazer)? Gimme a break. It screams insecurity, so how can I expect balance, compassion and FAIRNESS from some scared little company man, with rock-star pretensions?

In some ways, I guess he feels he has to counter-act the other two stooges. Randy is definitely the most music-oriented of the three but his Ebonic delivery leads me to new pathways of misunderstanding. Once again, as a new viewer, I have been puzzled by what linguistic standard a woman can be called “dude,” “man” or “dawg”. And some day, I will learn what “props” are, though I admit having heard that one kicked around about, oh, ten years ago, here in Richmond.

Paula Abdul is your basic passionate Mediterraney woman. The biggest problem is calling her a judge, instead of just good ol’ Mom. I am glad she is there to be supportive but her constant use of superlatives makes it hard to take her with any credibility.

And I repeat from yesterday my contention that Carrie has a big, full voice but not a memorable one. If I may, indulge me enough to think of Bo’s voice as a reminder of iconic American singers, like Ray Charles or Barry White. I still consider Bo the third Righteous Brother, for older Chiffers who remember them. He has the classic Southern combination of a white kid but with reminders of black Southern inflection. It’s very masculine, unlike most pop male singers. An informal study was once done of pitch range, which revealed that most pop male singers have relatively high baritone-to-tenor voices, while most female pop singers have relatively low mezzo-soprano down to alto voices, rendering both within similar ranges. Bo has the distinction of a lower voice, which is more exciting.

I can imagine two songwriters pondering these talents. One songwriter will come up with a country anthem for Carrie that will make big bux. The other will write a soulful tune for Bo that we will remember for decades. Heck, I’ll buy the album and I never buy pop albums.

I feel that strong about the distinction. BUT, Carrie will undoubtedly mature and her voice may get more depth. But just remember a few of the greatest country female singers, and you will realize that they DON’T sound like Martina McBride. I am thinking Patsy Cline for example. A whole different league. I need some pancakes with the syrup.

I think it gives him something to do with his hands.

Natch, John, like Elvis and his guitar that he rarely played. But dontcha think it looks silly?

That’s how I feel about Bo. I’m glad he didn’t win, cause I don’t think he actually needed this competition (although I do think the competition needed him…)

Every time I looked at him, I thought “yes, here’s a really good rocker and yes he has SOUL, I’d love to hear him and follow him around” but then I had this nagging voice saying “Why the hell is he on American Idol? He’s not cutesy…”

I mean, who would ever have imagined Lynard Skynard singing on American Idol with David Hasselhoff in the audience…!!

Looking forward to Canadian Idol… maybe…

I get it Moxy, but I can see an alternative view of the whole progression of things.

You have the existing string of famous musicians in pop music who came up through the hard knocks school. Along comes Idol and its karaoke aspect and suddenly you have a new way of being exposed to talent that is “out there.”

This includes the fact that many performers have NEVER had the chance to have a first-class band behind them, but instead slog through the endless group of losers, drug addicts and other flakes who comprise a lot of wannabe rockers. Suddenly, you have this great band and the singer grows exponentially in the course of the show’s season.

Looking positively, I see this show has develped and furthered the ability of a few finalists to perform. Bo was already there but would he ever truly get discovered? I am not so sure, because the pathway seems so arcane and arbitrary. This includes the issue of age. Bo may have already been TOO OLD to get “discovered.” This might even factor into why Carrie won, for that matter.

I would argue that about six of the finalists, or maybe less, EXCEED the singing talent of six of your best known corporate-endorsed pop stars. It may be controversial to say so, but I sincerely found them to be that good. What a buncha pipes! I think they can stand up with the top performers, many of whom only made it through a series of fortunate events and hard knocks. And remember that you heard them “live” NOT cleaned up in a studio. Plenty of famous singers get even pitch fixed via digital technology.

Keep in mind that the Weekender subscribes to the theory that for every great famous guitar player, there may be four or five better players who are just out there; some don’t want the life, some have the self-destructive low self-esteem issues, some are trapped by real-life circumstances and so forth.

I managed a guitar store, and I would occassionally meet these folks. They’re out there, but completely obscure to the public.

Quite true! There’s really very little correlation between fame and talent.

As for American Idol… never seen it. I stopped watching TV regularly when Fox cancelled Firefly. I still watch TV for the local weather report and the occasional documentary (on PBS, History Channel, etc.), but all-in-all I don’t miss it.

I wouldn’t want to give up my DVD player, though. :wink:

Well, Slude, I am one of those people who scorned the show, but since getting this new job, I needed to relate to my workmates at the water cooler so to speak. They are fanactics of “Survivor”, other reality shows, Idol, Desperate Housewives and House. I watch Idol and House but not the others. In both cases, the shows have turned out to be interesting and provocative.

:laughing: I’m content to let my co-workers believe I’m uncultured.

My main problem with watching more TV is lack of time. I have lots of interests/hobbies, and not enough time for them all. Work really gets in the way, y’know? I could dream about winning the lottery, I suppose, but that would mean I’d have to start buying the tickets…

Bo’s an Undisputed Homeboy. Helena is about 20 minutes down the road from C&F HQ.

Dale

I have never watched that show. I think it is bad on so many levels.

Well, yeah. It was cool once. But week after week it got old.

Unquestionably. But it is also good on the other levels.

How is it good (I’m serious, I don’t actually see how it is good for anybody)?

Well, Cran, I felt the same way until I actually watched it. But like I said, having a TiVo style of viewing helped to avoid the fluff. I ended up likin’ it. Maybe if you can get a tape or something you could try it that way.

And as for your second post, I think I explained how it is good. It develops and attracts really good singers and gives them the chance to realize their abilities with a very good backup band. It certainly answers the question that many musicians ask themselves: how good am I really and what if I had a shot at the big-time?

You talk about religious belief a lot these days. A core belief among many is that God wants you to use the talents He gave you because you end up expressing his creative genius in the world by enriching it. I feel that its a matter of duty to use my talents and I am fascinated to watch these young people do the same and actually get somewhere with it. I think it would be great to get Bo out of the guitar store and onto a stage. His voice is too good to leave unused.

My strongest objection, prior to becoming a viewer, was the critical judging. But the point really is that in any kind of career, there will always be detractors, envious spoilers, as well as helpful constructive critics. The panel does a little of all of it. So what? If you can’t take that heat, you will never succeed in the arts, because it’s so damn hard.

I think its easy to think that the show is ONLY about fame. That’s true to a point. But it’s also about singing talent and developing it..

But I’m talented at so many things. How ever could God expect me to do it all? :wink:

I understand what you’re saying. I also don’t like most reality TV (although I used to watch Real World), so I think it may be more the genre than the actual show. Curiously, I don’t mind watching younger kids sing and perform, but I guess it’s the competitiveness (did I spell that right?) or something I don’t really take to.

Chris, are you serious??? You really had dinner with Clay Aiken??? How did this come about???

I’m very interested to hear this whole story. Details, please!

I got hooked on AI after the first season. My sister went on about it so much that I decided to see what all the fuss was about, and have watched it ever since. I loved Season 2 when it was the big Clay/Reuben battle. I voted for Reuben, which I now think was a mistake, since I don’t at all care for his R & B type-CD that he put out. I used to love his voice but now I think Clay should’ve won. Clay was a teacher that loved working with kids who when he showed up to audition, REALLY looked like a nerd–the hair, clothes, etc. The judges loved his voice so much that they put him through and he ended up growing and improving so much that it was a VERY close competition and he almost won…I think less than 1% separated him and Reuben at the final vote. But I actually think that Clay is now a lot more successful than Reuben–he’s sold lots more albums. I love his CD and think he’s got a great voice, and he seems like a really nice guy who hasn’t let all this fame and fortune go to his head.

I agree with all you’ve said, Weeks–I liked Carrie from the beginning but at the end voted for Bo because, as you’ve said, his is a more unique voice that stays with you. I am kind of glad he didn’t win, though, because I’ve heard that instead of the more standard 10% cut of album sales that most record companies get, AI producers take 50% of their winner’s profits. That is a LOT. So hopefully Bo will get a better deal.

In spite of the show’s flaws, I think it is a really good thing because ordinary people get the chance to really show their talents and it’s amazing what can happen. I love Anthony, Anwar, Constantine, and Vonzell and hope they all get their chance at success from this. :slight_smile:

American Idol is one of the few TV shows that I watch. It is positive on so many levels:

  • It breaks the old-boy-network that has ruled the music industry ad nauseum.
  • Many families watch the show together. What is the last time grandparents and kids, pre-AI, listened to the same music CD or same radio station?
  • It brings many classic songs to the attention of kids. I was not raised with music at home and many of the old songs were introduced to me by the show.
  • The contestants are mostly wide-eyed innocents that would have zero chance in the dog-eat-dog world of recording studios.
  • It is LIVE music, one chance, one take, all or nothing. So much of radio, and commercial CD releases consist of overcooked, overedited, spliced together heartless music that it is refreshing to hear a song done in one take.
  • The concept is the American ideal, that with hard work, talent, luck, and being able to perform under pressure, a young person can go from no chance to being a star.

Likewise Carrie’s a not-so-Undisputed Homegirl. Checotah is about 70 miles down the road from the Beeb Crib! :smiley: