Advice requested: How much should I be practicing?

Mary doesn’t really get into the anchor finger issue at all in the tutorial series, at least not that I noticed. The tutorials are for high D whistles where you have a lot more freedom in how you stabilize the whistle than on larger, heavier, whistles. A high D whistle is small and light enough that you can get a lot of stabilization from the lips and thumbs.

In my opinion, being fluent with a range of anchor fingering strategies becomes much more critical when playing low whistles, and absolutely crucial when playing something like a Selkie vertically held flute where you get no help from the lips at all wrt stabilizing the instrument. Playing those really brought home to me the limitations of my current approach to stabilizing whistles, but I have no problems whatsoever on high whistles.

Also, regarding tonguing, Mary is very clear and explicit about the fact that she uses tonguing as her primary method of articulation. She documents precisely where she uses it and recommends her students use it. And a careful evaluation of the collection of a few hundred tunes in the tutorials shows that close to half the notes are tongued, for some reason or another. Of course, the decision of whether to tongue any particular note is context dependent.

So to play like Mary you have to be comfortable both tonguing and not tonguing notes, regardless of whether finger ornaments are used. Sometimes tonguing is used in combination with finger ornaments and sometimes not, depending on what effect she is wanting to produce.

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I’ll second the recommendation by @paddler to listen as much as possible, and don’t worry about not being able to do what they can do. One thing I’ve found is that once you get things into your head, many questions you might have about what to do when and how start to fade away, because certain things just “make sense.” On this board and others I’ve seen a lot of “how/when would I use X ornament?” or “where would you breathe in X tune?” Not to say that it’s not important to think about these things deliberately, especially at the start, but if you listen to enough tin whistle playing you’ll get a very good intuitive sense of where to put a roll or a cut or a breath. Listening is a key part of learning, alongside practicing, and you should eventually hopefully find some whistle players you particularly like and perhaps want to emulate in some ways.

One bit of practice advice I would have, as you are a singer, is to spend some time with the whistle playing melodies you already know, without any sheet music or anything in front of you. Don’t know your voice part, but if you’re a baritone you’ve probably gotten Papageno’s arias drilled into you, and those are great on whistle since they’re mostly diatonic. Figure out a key that fits the range of the whistle; it may or may not be the original key. Getting comfortable going straight from your ear to the whistle will really help in the long run.

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Lots of good advice here. I would add that as far as things like tonguing and ornaments are concerned, I’ve found it very helpful to listen to good players at half speed. Very easy now that it is built in to most audio players. Not like the old days when you had to mess around with tape recorders.

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I am not sure I can give much advise with regards to practice time. Segments of 20 minutes to practice technique is probably right and effective enough. I can’t help thinking about all the players I know or knew once telling how they were mad for music, as you need to be, just sitting down and play for hours on end.

Micho Russell in an interview related how he and his brother sat at the bottom of the field around the house, sheltered behind a wall and play and play and play. And that is a recurring theme if you talk to great players. I know that when I was learning the pipes I sometimes played seven eight hours a day and that too is not unprecedented.

Anyhow, the listening advise is sound, immerse and absorb. And I would stress you want to immerse yourself in the playing of great players, not just any Joe Soap who posts to youtube. But between the listening and the playing you need to reach a place where you can inhabit the music, have a freedom to move within it, rather than rolling off strings of notes that you have memorised.

To emulate other whistleplayers, yes, to an extent, perhaps. I would suggest though to listen to fiddlers, pipers, concertinaplayers, box and what have you and listen to how they approach their music, find common themes and work from there.

One of my dead hobby horses to flog is the fact that the universal advice on this sort of forums seems to be ‘get a teacher’. Again, yes, to an extent. But in my mind the effect of this is that a large number of players sound ‘like they have been taught’. There’s a degree of homogenisation and conformity that I feel is not beneficial at all. Take a bit of teaching, if you must, go away work on what you were given. Mind you, I do know and appreciate a few teachers who seem to inspire and turn out great players. And inspire them to find their own voice.

When I listen to the old players (and I mean the generations before my own), they often had much more individual styles. They played music ‘as they heard it’, picking up bits from various players they came across along the way. Their playing was infused with their life experiences, who they met, what they picked up along the way etc., eventually forming a style. And a recognisable style/sound is a good thing. Last week I was at the laptop, the television on in the next room, I heard a fluteplayer starting ‘The woman of the house’ and before the first phrase was over, I knew who it was (Jillian O’Malley, I think it was on on Ceol ón gCré). That is a good thing. A recognisable own voice, personality.

Mary Bergin’s tutorials are unsurpassed, no doubt about that. But do you really want copy them to the note to end up sounding like another Mary Bergin? Her playing is infused with the influences of players she heard, some of them easy to identify. As I said, that is a good thing. And taking from her playing and advice is a good thing too but you can’t emulate her story slavishly, it would be fake. You need to take in your own influences and experiences, you really do, to make a great player.

On that note, I heard two of the finest pipers/whistle players we have on different occasions in the past week. Both playing very different to eachother and both playing also very different from Mary Bergin. And that’s a good thing. Variety, more ways to skin that particular cat or various routes to get to Rome or wherever you want to go.

How’s that for random thoughts on the early Sunday morning?

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That’s excellent advice. Thanks!

I never tried that (I use the little finger because of GHB). On my Goldie Low-D it does make the high B sound harsh and a little sharp. On my Kerry Chieftain Custom it actually makes a nice sounding B#. On my Carbony low D it doesn’t make any audible difference.

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I can’t say how much you should practice. I aim for 20-60 minutes per day, but it’s highly variable. I’m really only chiming in to ask whether hiring a whistle teacher is feasible for you. I have a teacher for the Irish flute with whom I meet online once a week. I greatly look forward to the lessons, and having a teacher has been incredible for all of those things you don’t know until someone tells you. You gave the example of being able to hear tonguing in recordings. There are so many things like that, especially the more subtle (to me) aspects of rhythm, that I would never have been able to hear without someone pointing them out to me as they play illustrative examples. Plus, having someone introduce me to knew ideas AND ask me to work on them for the next week has broadened my knowledge and skill set at a rate that just could not have been possible on my own. That is not to say I’ve got any great skill now; the point is only that it’s gratifying and a lot of fun being regularly introduced to new and intriguing (if sometimes flummoxing) things to work on. If practicable, I highly recommend live tutelage, even if it can’t be in person.

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Just to let you know, gruevy, there are currently six active session listings in Utah: Traditional Irish music sessions in Utah on The Session. One of them is even in Logan, which I think might be really quite near to you?

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Oh, sweet, thanks a ton. Yeah, Logan is a 25 minute drive up the canyon. I’ll have to get in touch and go listen.