5 days into playing: first impressions

Hi friends!

After 5 days of playing my black Clarke’s Original in Hi D, I received my Shaw Hi D today.

I INSTANTLY liked the Shaw much better for several reasons.

The holes are bigger, that makes it easier to “sense” or “feel” the holes, which makes you realize much easier whether your fingers have the right position.
I have very slim fingers (almost like a skinny woman) and still feel much more comfortable with the bigger holes.

The Shaw plays better! While still getting the wrong notes on the Clarke (mostly by mispositioning fingers), it hardly happens with the Shaw at all.

The Shaw looks better (matter of taste). Even though playability and sound are the most important factor in an instrument, I rather tend to prefer “eye candy” (not ABOVE the first two factors, but ADDITIONALLY)
On pictures I liked all the black whistles better but when placed in front of me in real life, I like the brass look much better.

The Shaw sounds a little “smokier”, more “airy” (I mean you can hear more of the flowing air), which from the sound samples I heard online wasn’t my preferred sound at first.
Here the Clarke is slightly ahead with a little mellower/warmer sound.

The Shaw is a little louder.

Both need almost the same amount of air with the Shaw needing a bit more in the very upper registers. As a beginner I still have some difficulties with those, I tend to underblow them.

The Shaw feels more comfortable! While the Clarke has a detectable “edge” on the underside where the thumbs rest, the Shaw has just a groove. Both sides of the metal are of the same height
while with the Clarke there’s one side higher than the other. The Shaw’s metal edges come together evenly, leaving nothing but a groove along the underside of the whistle.

Somehow the brass looking metal (natural) also feels like I have more “grip” on the surface, the Clarke seems to be a little more “slippery” due to the very smooth surface of the paint but I’m not
yet absolutely sure about that. It’s just a kind of “gut feeling”, if you know what I mean.

Even though of slightly different form, both blowholes feel comfortable (both whistles are without mouthpieces). The Clarke’s upper edge is slightly rounded while the Shaw’s is straight.

The Clarke seems to be a little off tune with the first (most upper) hole! :frowning:

OVERALL: I’d say the Shaw jumped instantly in pole position so far.

I ordered a couple more: I’m presently waiting for a Dixon Low D, a Clarke Sweetone (yes, with plastic mouthpiece! I thought I’d give them a try because I liked the sound on several videos, even though I don’t like the look) and a Waltons Mellow D.
Furthermore I ordered a Sweetheart Irish Flute Rosewood Low D and two Wahajo Native American Flutes in A and G. ( http://www.indianerfloete.de/floeten/floeten.html )

I’ll keep you posted about how it goes!
So far I’m having awesome fun with my new flute hobby! :slight_smile: I’m afraid I won’t touch the Clarke Original very often but I’ll keep coming back to it with increasing experience for comparison reasons.

I’m especially looking forward to receive my Sweetheart and the two NAFs. I instantly fell in love with the latter! :heart: :heart: :heart:

Inner Light,
Nice to have you join us here on C & F. Enjoy your musical journey. :thumbsup:

Slainte,
cayden

I have recently purchased a Shaw D also and it’s quickly becoming a favorite. It’s a little quieter than my other D whistles, which is very nice for morning prayers. It’s also given me some more goals to reach for when making my own. :slight_smile:

Crumbs, is it the whistles or the playing you like?

I’ve wondered about the Shaw D because I like the breathy sound and that it’s a little quieter than other Ds. My concern is the mouthpiece. I haven’t managed to see a good profile of it but I’m uneasy of fipples that I can’t put my lips around, even if it is only slightly. Has anyone any decent pictures of the fipple? Glad you’re enjoying it.

Thanx a lot, Cayden.
In case you missed it, I introduced myself in the Picture Thread, page 10: Trade for a Martin guitar? - Whistle - Chiff & Fipple

I didn’t find an “introduction thread”.

My name’s Dee, I’m from Germany and after 30 years of playing guitar, I decided to learn another instrument.
See you guys on the boards :thumbsup:

Here you go: on the left is the Shaw, on the right there’s the Clarke Original

Thanks for doing that. Sad. I’ve got thick lips and don’t think I would find either fipple that comfortable. I had the same problem with Guido Gonzato’s whistles.

Just in case this was meant to be addressed to me :really: (calling a 47 year old adult “crumbs” would be considered pretty rude and respectless in Germany, so I guess it’s a matter of language barrier on my side?) , I quote myself:

I like playing the Whistles.

Don’t know yet whether I like playing the NAFs, I haven’t received them yet but I bet I will like them. They’re even easier to play and I love their sound very much.

Just received my Sweetheart Irish Flute Low D today. “Played” for a couple of minutes but that’s something very different. Took me a couple of minutes to even get a tone out of it and it needs an aweful lot of air (unless I’m doing something wrong?)! That one’s gonna be a challenge to learn and I’m eager to start. :heart:
Right now it’s rather … surprisingly difficult, compared to every other flute I ever played (in my youth). It’s my first transverse flute!
It certainly will take much more time until I really PLAY a tune (which I already do fluently on my whistles, not nice (no vibrato, cuts, rolls) but at least fluently with hardly any wrong notes :laughing: )

You won’t know whithout trying them, I guess.
I would consider the thickness of the lips rather unimportant. As I understand it, the most important part is to place the slot of the mouthpiece right in front of the gap between your lips.
I would think, even though I’m a beginner, that it doesn’t matter, how much of your lower lip is covered by the mouthpiece and how much of your upper lip is actually surrounding the upper edge of the mouthpiece.
But that’s just how I imagine it to be. I’m curious what more experienced players will say about this.

Please consider this post more like a question than a statement. :wink:

Inner Light,

Nichts zu danken! I sent you a PM.

Cayden

I guess you’ve already read several emobouchure how-tos on the net… IMHO there’s no better one than Jem’s embouchure instruction. Being quite new to the sideblown universe as well, this dramatically improved my playing immediately.

Apart from that, there are these immortal words by another member:

Thank you for the link, I’ll check it out.
Yes, I watched some videos alrwady but none of them covered “how to produce tone” yet. They were all beginner lessons with easy songs (slow fingering, step by step) but you have to know the technique already.

Haven’t received it (yet?).
No new messages in my inbox, Cayden.
Du kommst auch aus Deutschland?

Dee,
I will send it forward to you a bit later. I got a bit ahead of myself with posts. Sorry.

Cayden

Received and replied!
Thank you, Cayden! :slight_smile:

I think you’re misunderstanging. “Crumbs” is an expression of surprise, a bit like “Wow!” I think the surprise is that you’re buying lots of different whistles all at once, rather than getting used to one whistle at a time. Some people dive in and buy every whistle available, others take it slowly - there’s no rule book.

Oh, and welcome…

Whistles, potato chips, the Corr sisters…the more the merrier! :party:

Hi Mike and thanx!
Yeah, I figured I must have misunderstood something, thanx a lot for making this expression clear to me. :thumbsup:
Even though I consider my English being pretty good, I still stumble across proverbs or colloquially used terms I don’t know.
I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Yes, you’re right, I’m one of the guys who tends to check out several instruments to choose the one I like most. In spite of lots of help from experienced Whistlers online, there’s always a lot of personal taste involved.

Even though I’m a beginner in flutes and whistles, I can at least try to find the one(s) which I like most and which are feeling comfortable to me. Since Penny Whistles are named like that for a purpose, it’s not a ruining investment. Regarding the more expensive instruments, I simply picked a flute of the medium to high price sector with a good reputation.
That’s the one I will use and get my experience on before I look for “better” ones.

Since I’m very serious with the transvers flute (Irish flute) and the NA flutes, I bought higher quality instruments right from the beginning because in my opinion that’s the way to go.
Except for children who change their minds every two weeks, a beginner should get a decent instrument right away, otherwise he might be turned off by inferior quality and lose interest.
Even with children I always give the advice to get at least a medium range instrument used, rather than the 100 dollar super market crap (I’m referring to guitars right now, since I’m an experienced guitarist).
I figured that this was also the best approach for flutes and also followed advice I was lucky to find here.

The Irish Flute was the main reason to start with this hobby but I also liked the tin whistle stuff I saw online. So I decided to get those, too because you’ll get success much faster, which means having fun. The Irish flute - being a transverse flute - would be much more difficult and time consuming.

The NAFs weren’t actually planned but I fell in love with them during my internet search about flutes and whistles in general. Since they’re considered very easy to play, I just went for it :wink:

Actually, I just stumbled across the Corrs and I liked their whistle/violin stuff very much. Really awesome.

I mainly got in touch with whistles (as a listener) in the past due to my now laying dorment medieval hobby. I also knew some guys who played in an Irish folk band 15 years ago.

And I love potato chips (onion & cream!). :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: